+1 from me as well Am 17.12.2013 13:05 schrieb "Allison, Timothy B." <[email protected]>:
> +1 to delete > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yegor Kozlov [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:06 AM > To: POI Developers List > Subject: Re: Please remove my file from your svn > > Do we have a consensus to delete this file from svn ? > > If there are no any other opinions I will do so within 24 hours. > > Yegor > (with POI PMC chair hat on) > > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Chris, > > > > I am on both the Apache POI and the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Action will be > > taken. > > > > As a producer of PPT and PPTX files along with other Office documents we > > have always done our best to try to consume documents created by any > > producer including OpenOffice.org. I wonder if a PPT produced by the > > current Apache OpenOffice 4 would show this same solved bug. > > > > No doubt a POI developer will remove this test case very soon and it will > > no longer be in our svn and will not be in our next release. True mirrors > > will catch up. > > > > (Have you looked at Apache Solr, Mahout, or Hadoop? You quote a paper > from > > Doug Cutting an inventor of Hadoop, which was named after his child's top > > elephant.) > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Nirk Niggler wrote: > > > > > Chris: > > > > > > If you read my reply, you would see that I actually agree with you. If > > > Raiko cannot certify that the file can be distributed under the same > > > license terms as Apache POI, the file should be removed. > > > > > > I asked for clarification because IP issues in academia are rarely > > > clear-cut. For example, if you received a scholarship of any sort (or > > were > > > part of a funded graduate program), exception 5.1.3 would actually > apply > > > unless you obtained a written statement as described in section 5.4 > (and > > > this would be an exercise in futility) > > > > > > That being said, if you are serious about going down this route, I > would > > > also suggest suggest going after others who are hosting the file, such > as > > > docstoc > > > > > > http://www.docstoc.com/docs/24138033/Tagging-with-Hidden-Markov-Models(shared > > > by rbb85147 > > > http://www.docstoc.com/profile/rbb85147) and going after others that > > have > > > publicly available mirrors of POI. A quick search on github reveals a > > few > > > mirrors, including: > > > > > > - > > > > > > https://github.com/orione/POI/blob/master/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt > > > - > > > > > > https://github.com/samchuang/zkpoi/blob/master/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt > > > - > > > > > > https://github.com/tay204/VendorInterface/blob/master/poi-3.9/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Chris Demwell <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Nirk, > > >> > > >> I would like to reiterate that this file is probably of negative value > > to > > >> you: I have mentioned this is *not a Microsoft Office file* and > > therefore > > >> seems unlikely to be a good test case for your project. > > >> > > >> I am disappointed that I have to go into this: regardless of any terms > > of > > >> ownership between SFU and myself, the ASF and the POI project are not > > party > > >> to those terms. In any case, as it happens I'm aware of the terms from > > SFU > > >> and sought such clarification immediately upon enrolment. This content > > was > > >> a talk I gave as part of a special topics discussion course and not as > > >> "homework". The terms can be seen at > > >> http://www.sfu.ca/policies/gazette/research/r30-03.html - > specifically, > > >> section 5.1 applies: > > >> > > >> "5.1 Although the University has the right to require assignment of an > > >> interest in IP created by a University Member through the use of its > > >> resources, the full ownership of IP and all rights pertaining to > > ownership > > >> are vested in the Creator, unless the Creator has entered into an > > agreement > > >> with the University to the contrary." > > >> > > >> There are several exceptions listed, none of which apply to this file. > > This > > >> is my IP, and more importantly it is not yours, nor Raiko's, nor do > you > > >> have license from SFU. Other than that I think we agree about the > legal > > >> situation. The waters are not muddy, you do not have license to this > > file. > > >> > > >> Please remove it from your svn history or inform me that you don't > > intend > > >> to do so. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Nirk Niggler <[email protected] > > >>> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Chris: > > >>> > > >>> A cursory google search reveals that this was part of a class project > > and > > >>> is publicly available at > > >>> http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~anoop/courses/CMPT-882-Fall-2002/chris.ppt, > > which > > >>> somewhat muddies the waters (you'd have to get clarification from > your > > >>> school regarding the IP rights associated with class homework and > > >> projects). > > >>> > > >>> Eric: > > >>> > > >>> While there is no obvious confidential information in the document, > the > > >>> original contributor Raiko Eckstein violated the terms of the > bugzilla > > < > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi> > > >>> > > >>>> "Certify that any object code, source code, patch, documentation, > etc. > > >>> that you may supply to an Apache project can be redistributed under > the > > >>> same license terms and conditions as the project itself." > > >>> > > >>> That alone should be grounds for removal. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Eric Peters <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I have nothing to do with the POI Apache project, other than being a > > >> user, > > >>>> never contributed, nor have anything to associate other than being > on > > >> this > > >>>> mailing list - but I'd say chill the f*** out. > > >>>> > > >>>> The relative harms for the debug test file is probably negligible, > and > > >> in > > >>>> the grand scheme of things, its probably not using your IP at all, > > >> rather > > >>>> the factual bytes that were generated by OpenOffice, or usable under > > US > > >>>> Fair Use, as long as the (which is the same/similar file type to MS > > >>>> Powerpoint, which is sort of the point of the example file) > > >>>> > > >>>> Your copyright standpoint on the file, its feasible to recreate the > > PPT > > >> to > > >>>> re-illustrate the failed code, that might have some similarities to > > your > > >>>> original file but not be a byte-by-byte representation of the code, > > and > > >> it > > >>>> wouldn't pass a copyright muster (assuming you even filed for > > copyright > > >>>> protections) > > >>>> > > >>>> Take a deep breath, and find something productive to do. > > >>>> > > >>>> -Eric > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Chris Demwell <[email protected] > > > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Hi, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> In 2007, someone uploaded my IP to your bug tracker in > > >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=41357 - that > > >> person > > >>>> did > > >>>>> not have license to use my IP, and therefore you also do not. You > > >>>> continue > > >>>>> to host that file in your svn: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >> > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/poi/trunk/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt- > > >>>>> please remove it from your svn history. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I would also point out that someone sending you a file to help you > > >>>> solve a > > >>>>> bug does not automatically or implicitly grant the legal right to > use > > >>>> the > > >>>>> file for any other purpose, store, and certainly not republish the > > >> file. > > >>>>> You are likely illegally republishing other files as part of the > test > > >>>>> directory in your svn and I humbly suggest that your only course of > > >>>> action > > >>>>> is to remove those files that you do not explicitly know that you > are > > >>>>> licensed to redistribute. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Much more collegially, that PPT was an export from OpenOffice.org > > (ie, > > >>>> not > > >>>>> created by MS Powerpoint) and therefore may not be an appropriate > > test > > >>>> file > > >>>>> for your project. I'm sorry if this has caused you any > consternation > > >> in > > >>>>> designing or maintaining your project. Thanks for your > contributions > > >> to > > >>>>> open source software - while I don't use POI I still have great > > >> respect > > >>>> for > > >>>>> your work. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Chris Demwell > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
