It looks like the same Apache email obstacle is present in the Polaris Slack?
I followed the link from the current web side, then chose "create account" and got: [image: image.png] Cheers, Dmitri. On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 7:03 PM Yufei Gu <flyrain...@gmail.com> wrote: > People used to have trouble joining the ASF Slack workspace, here is a > related discussion, https://github.com/apache/iceberg/issues/1804. We'd > not > go that route. > > Created a new Slack workspace for Polaris ( > https://apache-polaris.slack.com). > Please follow this link to join, > > https://join.slack.com/t/apache-polaris/shared_invite/zt-2w1fddyh3-zqCeeJwn7wNvhn3mVT5njQ > . > > > Yufei > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 5:30 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > The ASF slack is by invitation, but a committer or PPMC member can > > invite anyone. > > > > We have a bunch of invited people on The ASF Slack (without @a.o email > > address). > > > > For me, it's weird to have another Slack workspace (my Slack client > > already has too much ;) ), we are a ASF project after all :) > > > > As said in a previous message, everything is fine to me as long as it > > helps the community. If you think it's better to have a dedicated > > Slack workspace that's OK. > > > > Regards > > JB > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 11:27 AM Ajantha Bhat <ajanthab...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi JB, > > > > > > Based on my experience, ASF slack is good only if you have an apache > > email > > > address. > > > If the users are not having apache email addresses, we have to add them > > > individually by their email address. > > > There is no invite link concept for users to join ( > > > https://infra.apache.org/slack.html) to avoid spamming. > > > Also, it will be just a single channel per project, there can't be > > multiple > > > channels. > > > > > > I prefer separate slack workspace. Maybe a paid version as I observed > > that > > > users ask the same questions, keeping history discussions will > definitely > > > be useful. > > > > > > - Ajantha > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 3:16 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Yufei, > > > > > > > > I don't think we should create a new Slack workspace. I would rather > > > > prefer to have a channel on The ASF Slack. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > JB > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 2:02 AM Yufei Gu <flyrain...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for all the feedback. The majority seems to favor > Slack. > > > > > Some prefer Zulip. I feel like it’s worth giving Slack a try as an > > > > > alternative to Zulip. If everything works well, we can continue > with > > > > Slack, > > > > > and even promote it to be the only one in the future. If it turns > > out not > > > > > working well, we can deprecate it. We can always ask people in the > > > > Iceberg > > > > > Slack channel to switch to Polaris workspace. The migration cost > for > > them > > > > > would be minimal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will create a Slack workspace if you think it's worthwhile. > > > > > > > > > > Yufei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 12:03 PM Eric Maynard < > > eric.w.mayn...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > While it's true that there is substantial activity on Zulip, I > > think > > > > the > > > > > > fact that we have a decent amount of community engagement on > Slack > > in > > > > spite > > > > > > of the fact that Zulip is currently the official platform linked > > to on > > > > the > > > > > > site means that people probably do prefer Slack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I do not have a preference between Zulip and Slack, > but > > my > > > > > > suspicion is that Slack is more end-user friendly as the typical > > > > > > developer is more likely to already have Slack set up than Zulip. > > > > > > > > > > > > --EM > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t have a strong opinion. I’m mixing Zulip (for camel and > > > > Polaris) > > > > > > > with slack (for other project). I have a preference to Slack if > > we > > > > use > > > > > > the > > > > > > > ASF slack server (not a dedicated server like Iceberg or > > cloudstack). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My preference doesn’t matter: the most important is what’s the > > best > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > community (for both communication and growth). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le dim. 8 déc. 2024 à 00:18, Russell Spitzer < > > > > russell.spit...@gmail.com> > > > > > > a > > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really dislike Zulip. I find it hard to use and for me all > my > > > > other > > > > > > > chats > > > > > > > > I have to belong to are Slack for example ASF Slack and most > > > > > > importantly > > > > > > > > for Polaris, the Iceberg slack. I originally didn’t have > strong > > > > > > > objections > > > > > > > > because I hadn’t used Zulip and I was willing to try it out, > > but I > > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > should have objected since I really didn’t understand how > > > > different it > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > from slack. If we had another vote now I would be a strong -1 > > for > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > but Slack given that a majority of our users are going to > also > > be a > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > of the Iceberg community so we probably shouldn’t force two > > chat > > > > apps. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > think Polaris channel within the iceberg slack is a nice > > stopgap > > > > (which > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > reference already has 155 members) but it would be better > have > > a > > > > full > > > > > > > > fledged Slack instance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 12:32 PM Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If monitoring the Polaris channel in Iceberg slack is too > > much > > > > work > > > > > > (I > > > > > > > > > personally don’t monitor it), then we should direct users > to > > the > > > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > Apache Polaris Zulip chat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were no strong objections against Zulip particularly > > strong > > > > > > > > > arguments for Slack voiced during the initial discussion > [1] > > nor > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > related discussion & vote [2]. I don’t think that it’s a > good > > > > idea to > > > > > > > > > change the project’s official chat after just a couple of > > weeks, > > > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > not after a few hundred users joined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally prefer Zulip over Slack, because of it’s clear > > view > > > > even > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > lot of parallel conversations (topics) that works fine for > a > > lot > > > > of > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > really big OSS projects (Rust, Asciidoctor, Quarkus, > Wildfly > > and > > > > a > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > Apache projects as well). For new users it’s very easy to > > join, > > > > as it > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not require an invitation (hello Slack). Another chat > systems > > > > just > > > > > > adds > > > > > > > > > (IMHO mostly unneeded) feature over feature. Zulip is > stable > > on > > > > Linux > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > macOS and offers a web interface for those that don’t want > to > > > > install > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > application. Hosted Zulip itself has been very supportive > of > > open > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > projects in the past years. They’re also very communicative > > in > > > > their > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > OSS Zulip chat - not sure how that works with another > > service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retention is important in an Apache project - *especially* > > when > > > > it > > > > > > > > > potentially becomes eligible to decision making. This is > > another > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > where Zulip excels over Slack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/polaris/discussions/14 > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/hz7g7t01hxvd9kgdjo81qy5hd9y1zols > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7. Dec 2024, at 05:37, Michael Collado < > > > > collado.m...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I imagine we’d replace the Iceberg Polaris channel with a > > > > Polaris > > > > > > > Slack > > > > > > > > > > workspace. Then we’d be down one channel and all the chat > > > > > > > notifications > > > > > > > > > > would be integrated with the other Slack notifications we > > get. > > > > In > > > > > > > > > addition > > > > > > > > > > to Iceberg, I also have a couple of other open source > > project > > > > > > > > workspaces > > > > > > > > > > open and it makes keeping up with comms a bit simpler > since > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > > notifications are batched together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 4:28 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov > > > > > > > > > > <dmitri.bourlatch...@dremio.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Michael, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> I guess replacing Zulip with an Apache Polaris slack > > channel > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > >> to reduce the number of communication channels :) > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Are you suggesting to drop Zulip and use the polaris > > channel > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Iceberg > > > > > > > > > >> slack workspace? > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >> Dmitri. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 3:42 PM Michael Collado < > > > > > > > > collado.m...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> Currently, the communication channels for Polaris > include > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Mailing list > > > > > > > > > >>> Iceberg Slack > > > > > > > > > >>> GitHub > > > > > > > > > >>> Zulip > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> These are in addition to the regular comm channels I > > have to > > > > keep > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > >>> in a given day. I think something’s gotta give. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> We can’t get rid of the mailing list or GitHub and I’m > > > > already in > > > > > > > > slack > > > > > > > > > >> all > > > > > > > > > >>> day every day anyway and given that Zulip is _only_ > ever > > > > used for > > > > > > > > > >>> occasional user questions… > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> I like open source projects, but… I can’t do it all. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Mike > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 11:56 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov > > > > > > > > > >>> <dmitri.bourlatch...@dremio.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. *Performance and Stability*: > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> I personally use Zulip Desktop on Linux and the Zulip > > App > > > > on my > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > > > >>>> do not recall any serious performance and stability > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> There was one event a long time ago, when a new > desktop > > > > client > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > >>>> became unusable, but it was solved quickly with a > patch > > > > > > > version.... > > > > > > > > > >> IIRC. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Cheers, > > > > > > > > > >>>> Dmitri. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 1:26 PM Yufei Gu < > > > > flyrain...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I’d like to propose transitioning our chat platform > > from > > > > Zulip > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > >>> Slack. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> While both platforms have their strengths, I believe > > Slack > > > > > > > offers a > > > > > > > > > >>> more > > > > > > > > > >>>>> robust and widely adopted solution for our needs. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> *Why Consider Slack?* > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1. *Broader Adoption*: Slack is widely used across > > > > > > > organizations, > > > > > > > > > >>>> making > > > > > > > > > >>>>> it easier for new members or collaborators to join > > and > > > > chat > > > > > > > > > >>>> seamlessly. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. *Performance and Stability*: Slack consistently > > > > > > outperforms > > > > > > > > > >> Zulip > > > > > > > > > >>>> in > > > > > > > > > >>>>> terms of reliability. I’ve experienced occasional > > crashes > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > >> Zulip > > > > > > > > > >>>> on > > > > > > > > > >>>>> my > > > > > > > > > >>>>> laptop, which can disrupt productivity. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 3. *Retention Period*: Slack provides a shorter > > retention > > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > > >> for > > > > > > > > > >>>>> chat history. However, this should suffice as chat > > tools > > > > are > > > > > > > > > >>> primarily > > > > > > > > > >>>>> used > > > > > > > > > >>>>> for quick responses. For more formal communication, > > such > > > > as > > > > > > > > > >>> proposals, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> release votes, or other critical discussions, we > will > > > > > > continue > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > >>>>> prioritize the use of email lists. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> *Proposed Transition Plan* > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> - *Gradual Rollout*: We can implement Slack > alongside > > > > Zulip > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > >>>>> transition period of 3 months. This allows team > > members > > > > to > > > > > > > adapt > > > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > > > >>>>> provide feedback before fully committing. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> - *Historical Access*: We don’t need to shut down > the > > > > Polaris > > > > > > > > > >> Zulip > > > > > > > > > >>>>> instance. Keeping it active ensures historical chat > > data > > > > > > > remains > > > > > > > > > >>>>> accessible > > > > > > > > > >>>>> for future reference. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I’d love to hear your thoughts on this proposal. If > > there’s > > > > > > > > > >> interest, I > > > > > > > > > >>>> can > > > > > > > > > >>>>> take the lead on outlining next steps, including > > setting up > > > > > > Slack > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > >>>>> ensuring a smooth transition for the team. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Looking forward to your feedback! > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Yufei > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
