Good points from JB about compliance with community guidelines! Re: Zulip in general. I've had a lot of user conversations in Nessie via Zulip lately, and I can say that Zulip is better organised in that regard. Its topics are more like email threads, which IMHO maps better to `dev` ML discussions (Apache Way) than Slack's channels.
One odd thing is that users do seem to be a bit disoriented in Zulip initially and post comments slack-style. This requires some effort from people with admin access to sort out discussions into proper threads. Nonetheless, more mature users benefit from the threaded discussion model after the initial learning hump, I think. That said, if slack were to allow only PMC members to create channels, user discussions will all pile in "general" and while slack supports threads, those tend to be impossible to find after they age and scroll out of the "latest" messages view. In effect the "general" channel becomes a tool for "right now" conversations without any reusable history. To summarize, IMHO, supporting users in Zulip is easier for both users and developers (committers). Cheers, Dmitri. On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 3:41 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote: > Hi, > > It's something I wanted to bring here, so thanks for doing that :) > > I agree that we should use one chat service, I would propose Slack. > It means updating: > - removing zulip in README.md > (https://github.com/apache/polaris/blob/main/README.md?plain=1#L35) > - removing zulip from website > ( > https://github.com/apache/polaris/blob/main/site/content/_index.adoc?plain=1#L32 > ) > > However, I think that Slack is not fully compliant with the Chat > Bylaws decided by the PPMC when Zulip has been set up > (https://polaris.apache.org/community/chat-bylaws/), and I propose to > improve Slack in this regard before removing Zulip. > Let me chat with Yufei about Slack. > > Thanks ! > Regards > JB > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 9:18 AM Omar Al-Safi <o...@oalsafi.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Jack, > > > > +1 to depreciating one of the environments. > > > > Personally I have been using Apache Polaris Slack space more often than > > Zulip, hence my personal preference for us to keep using Slack instead of > > Zulip, alone not having to use multiple chat clients and just one chat > > clients for work and other projects is a big plus. > > > > Regards, > > Omar > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, 20:46 Jack Ye, <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I heard feedback from some of my customers that are trying to use > > > Polaris that it is a bit confusing to have 2 discussion platforms, > Zulip > > > and Slack, both existing for Polaris. They were not sure which one to > join > > > to get more attention for questions and discussions, or if they always > have > > > to join and talk on both platforms. > > > > > > Do we plan to continue maintaining both platforms, or should we > deprecate > > > one and move to just one single platform? > > > > > > Best, > > > Jack Ye > > > >
