Hi Yufei,

Sorry, I misread your previous message. I think we're in agreement on 
"interceptors" . Sorry about the confusion.

Cheers,
Dmitri.

On 2025/11/17 15:23:47 Dmitri Bourlatchkov wrote:
> Hi Yufei,
> 
> I have to disagree on the "interceptor" point. As I commented previously, I
> do believe that event listeners should not be used as interceptors.
> Specifically, exceptions and return values from event listeners should not
> affect the processing of the request in Polaris (i.e. requests should work
> as if no event listeners are present).
> 
> I do not mind adding a separate interceptor SPI with well-defined
> proceed/abort semantics. My objection relates only to overloading current
> event listeners with the assumption that they can influence request
> processing in the server.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dmitri.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2025 at 4:47 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > To move forward, we may decouple two debates. Supporting multiple listeners
> > is generally uncontroversial, while whether events should act as
> > interception points has mixed thoughts.
> >
> > We may proceed with async multiple listeners as an enhancement. These
> > listeners should be notification-only, independent, and non-blocking.
> >
> > For those who rely on sync/blocking hooks, we can open a dedicated
> > discussion about creating a separate SPI for policy or server-interception
> > logic, which gives us a clean and explicit place for policy enforcement, or
> > general data governance use cases, without overloading the event API.
> >
> > Yufei
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 1:43 PM Adnan Hemani
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > +1 to Eric's statements: "Events as they stand today can and do function
> > as
> > > injection points for arbitrary code" and "if we intend to change the
> > > functionality / scope of events we
> > > should do that in clear terms and with a well-considered design"
> > >
> > > I likely will not be supporting any proposal where the current
> > synchronous
> > > functionality is no longer allowed as part of the events feature (unless
> > > there is compelling evidence to back up the claims that this
> > functionality
> > > cannot be used today or will not be useful in the future), although I am
> > > still in heavy support of adding functionality for multiple event
> > > listeners.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Adnan Hemani
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 8:01 AM Alexandre Dutra <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Why is this behavior change being coupled with a proposal to support
> > > > multiple event listeners, anyway?
> > > >
> > > > My proposal couples both because 1) synchronous listeners could
> > > > monopolize the event loop (cf. AWS CloudWatch sink), and 2) a
> > > > composite listener is imho not an elegant solution to the multiple
> > > > listeners problem.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 12:35 PM Eric Maynard <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It's true that the listener methods return void -- I think they
> > should
> > > > > probably have always returned events -- but that doesn't mean you
> > can't
> > > > do
> > > > > interesting things with the current (blocking) methods. Besides the
> > > > > already-given example of throwing an exception from within a
> > listener,
> > > > some
> > > > > listener methods take an immutable parameter that has mutable objects
> > > > held
> > > > > within. Michael rightly points out above that even an
> > > accidentally-thrown
> > > > > exception may stop processing, which in some cases can be valuable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why is this behavior change being coupled with a proposal to support
> > > > > multiple event listeners, anyway? Yufei brought the issue of multiple
> > > > > listeners up on the original PR
> > > > > <https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/922#discussion_r1985409710>
> > > and
> > > > > IIRC there were some followup discussions about a way to wrap
> > multiple
> > > > > listeners in one. I think it can be done, and might be useful. But I
> > > > > suspect that this can be done without losing functionality, and
> > further
> > > > it
> > > > > seems that if we intend to change the functionality / scope of events
> > > we
> > > > > should do that in clear terms and with a well-considered design.
> > > > >
> > > > > --EM
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 4:24 AM Alexandre Dutra <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Events as they stand today can and do function as injection
> > points
> > > > for
> > > > > > arbitrary code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think so? How would one "hook into various parts of the
> > > > > > Polaris functionality" with this API? All listener methods take
> > > > > > immutable parameters and return nothing: this opinionated design
> > > > > > forbids "arbitrary code" to be injected. I cannot, for instance,
> > > > > > intercept some endpoint and modify the REST response to my needs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whatever the original intent of this API was, it's a fact that in
> > its
> > > > > > current state it is not suitable for implementing interceptors. My
> > > > > > proposal doesn't change the statu quo, only makes it official.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Alex
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 2:32 AM Eric Maynard <
> > > [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I mentioned Java and React because they're very clear examples of
> > > how
> > > > > > > the term "event listener" is generally understood, and Spark only
> > > > because
> > > > > > > it was referenced by name in the initial proposal email. Spark's
> > > > > > > listeners *have
> > > > > > > to be* async due to the nature of Spark as something that runs
> > > across
> > > > > > > threads (/ VMs / processes). That said, it's still possible if
> > not
> > > > common
> > > > > > > to implement a Spark listener that does something like cancel
> > > > > > long-running
> > > > > > > jobs. This is neither here nor there, though -- my point is not
> > > that
> > > > we
> > > > > > > should copy Spark or React, but rather that to say events are not
> > > > > > intended
> > > > > > > as injection points is perhaps revisionist history.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The original design proposal was sent out with this passage:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be useful to add a generic event listener interface to
> > > > Polaris,
> > > > > > > consistent with other OSS projects. Users of the project may
> > > require
> > > > > > > additional functionality that doesn't have a clear enough value
> > > > > > proposition
> > > > > > > to be in OSS. Instead, there can be event listeners that let you
> > > hook
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > various parts of the Polaris functionality (i.e. "before table
> > > > commit")
> > > > > > > without OSS prescribing the limits of the extra functionality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Events as they stand today can and do function as injection
> > points
> > > > for
> > > > > > > arbitrary code. It's my understanding that they were designed to
> > > > serve
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > role and that this aspect of the design was in part a reaction to
> > > > debates
> > > > > > > happening at the time around API stability, refactors, and
> > > extension
> > > > > > > points. We were still dreaming about killing CallContext. The
> > > Iceberg
> > > > > > > events proposal did not yet exist. And at least my own
> > endorsement
> > > of
> > > > > > > the proposal / PR was contingent on this functionality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we as a community align on removing this functionality from
> > the
> > > > events
> > > > > > > framework, we should be intentional about that. Currently the
> > > > (re)design
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > events seems to be taking place across many email threads without
> > > > clear
> > > > > > > arguments about what the framework should support or why.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --EM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 1:08 PM Alexandre Dutra <
> > [email protected]
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Several people mentioned Spark event listeners. After looking
> > > more
> > > > > > > > closely into this feature, I think it actually looks very
> > similar
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > what I'm proposing:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - The primary intended use cases that I could find are :
> > > monitoring
> > > > > > > > job progress, tracking stages and task completion, gathering
> > > > metrics
> > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Events are distributed asynchronously via an internal
> > component
> > > > > > > > called SparkListenerBus [2], which manages an event bus and a
> > > > > > > > single-threaded event queue.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - The API consists solely of methods that return void without
> > > > checked
> > > > > > > > exceptions: IOW, the API wasn't designed to allow for listeners
> > > to
> > > > > > > > interact with the server (other than throwing an unchecked
> > > > exception,
> > > > > > > > of course).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Afaict if a listener throws, the bus catches the exception
> > and
> > > > moves
> > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm not an expert in this topic so I might be wrong here, but
> > the
> > > > > > > > suggestion that Spark event listeners were designed to allow
> > > > listeners
> > > > > > > > to modify Spark's behavior doesn't look accurate to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > https://www.ibm.com/think/insights/apache-spark-monitoring-using-listeners-and-data-quality-libraries
> > > > > > > > [2]:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > https://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/api/java/org/apache/spark/scheduler/SparkListenerBus.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 1:30 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Eric,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would very much prefer not to use the event listener SPI
> > as a
> > > > > > means to
> > > > > > > > > control the operation of the Polaris Server.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > More specifically, I believe that any error / exception in an
> > > > event
> > > > > > > > > listener should not affect the processing of the request.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If we need custom callbacks to control some aspects of the
> > > server
> > > > > > > > > behaviour, let's define a dedicated SPI for that, but, IMHO,
> > it
> > > > > > should be
> > > > > > > > > outside the scope of events. WDYT?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:55 PM Eric Maynard <
> > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In fact, shouldn’t it be exclusively a listener’s decision
> > on
> > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > event is handled in a blocking way or not? As was noted in
> > a
> > > > past
> > > > > > > > thread on
> > > > > > > > > > events, much of the utility of the event framework comes
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > ability
> > > > > > > > > > to introduce custom logic and hooks into the normal
> > operation
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > Polaris.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you wish, for example, to prevent the creation of more
> > > than
> > > > 1k
> > > > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > > > with some given prefix, you can do so using a listener. If
> > > the
> > > > > > event
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > might trigger that logic becomes non-blocking, you would no
> > > > longer
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > > to block/fail the create table request.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think maybe it’s the name “event”, but we seem to keep
> > > > conflating
> > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > hooks with the iceberg events or auditing events when they
> > > are
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > > the same thing.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > —EM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:47 PM Adnan Hemani
> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing down the proposal for this! As I had
> > > > > > previously
> > > > > > > > > > > suggested this when implementing the Persistence of
> > Polaris
> > > > > > Events
> > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/1844>, I am
> > > > obviously
> > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > favor of doing this :)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A few questions I have regarding your vision of how we
> > > should
> > > > > > > > implement
> > > > > > > > > > > this:
> > > > > > > > > > > * Are you envisioning anything for being able to make
> > > > > > dependencies
> > > > > > > > > > between
> > > > > > > > > > > event listeners? Or are we taking a set direction that
> > > Event
> > > > > > > > Listeners
> > > > > > > > > > > should be independent of each other?
> > > > > > > > > > > * In some listeners we have the ability to make events
> > > > emission
> > > > > > > > > > synchronous
> > > > > > > > > > > [example
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > https://github.com/apache/polaris/blob/main/runtime/service/src/main/java/org/apache/polaris/service/events/jsonEventListener/aws/cloudwatch/AwsCloudWatchEventListener.java#L186
> > > > > > > > > > > >].
> > > > > > > > > > > How do we plan to support/advise (or not...) that with
> > the
> > > > > > > > introduction
> > > > > > > > > > > of @Blocking annotations.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > Adnan Hemani
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:29 AM Yufei Gu <
> > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. It's overall a good idea to have
> > > > async
> > > > > > event
> > > > > > > > > > > > listeners so that they are not blocking each other.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > One downside of the async ones is that event order
> > isn't
> > > > > > > > deterministic.
> > > > > > > > > > > > For example, event listeners of Spark need the order to
> > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > execution semantics. I think Polaris is fine with that,
> > > > given
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > ts of
> > > > > > > > > > > > each event is generated by Polaris. The downstream can
> > > > still
> > > > > > > > figure out
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > order.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Pierre for sharing, I think any I/O-bound or
> > > > potentially
> > > > > > > > slow
> > > > > > > > > > > > listener should be annotated with @Blocking. That
> > ensures
> > > > we
> > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > event
> > > > > > > > > > > > loop responsive and avoid impacting REST latency.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yufei
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 9:43 AM Alexandre Dutra <
> > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Answering the questions above:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, we can easily make sure that we use
> > > Quarkus's
> > > > > > SmallRye
> > > > > > > > > > Fault
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tolerance
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that was my idea. It's not so much the bus
> > itself
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > needs to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be fault tolerant, but the receiving end, that is,
> > the
> > > > > > > > listeners. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > listener can fail for a variety of reasons (e.g.
> > remote
> > > > > > broker
> > > > > > > > > > > > > unavailable), it would be nice to be able to backoff
> > > and
> > > > > > retry
> > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the Vert.x event bus runs on event-loop
> > threads
> > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > blocking or slow event listeners potentially stall
> > REST
> > > > > > requests
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > impact
> > > > > > > > > > > > > latency?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What Pierre said: this could indeed happen, but it's
> > > > > > possible to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > annotate the receiving end with @Blocking, in which
> > > > case, the
> > > > > > > > > > listener
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will be invoked in a separate pool.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With asynchronous event listeners, is there a
> > > > guarantee of
> > > > > > > > delivery
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > all listeners for a given event?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I understand the question correctly: with
> > > asynchronous
> > > > > > > > delivery, a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > slow or failing listener wouldn't impact the delivery
> > > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > event to other listeners.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 10:12 AM Pierre Laporte <
> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the proposal, Alex.  This sounds like a
> > > > great
> > > > > > > > > > improvement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Yufei As per Quarkus documentation, slow event
> > > > listeners
> > > > > > > > should be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > marked
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with @Blocking so that they are not run on the
> > event
> > > > loop
> > > > > > > > threads.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pierre
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2025 at 2:14 AM Michael Collado <
> > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With asynchronous event listeners, is there a
> > > > guarantee
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > delivery
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > listeners for a given event? The downside of
> > > > synchronous
> > > > > > > > > > listeners
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything is serial, but also if something
> > fails,
> > > > > > processing
> > > > > > > > > > > stops.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels important for auditing purposes, though
> > less
> > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 2:28 PM Yufei Gu <
> > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Alex and Adam. One concern I have is
> > > about
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > runtime
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread pool.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the Vert.x event bus runs on event-loop
> > > > threads
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quarkus’ reactive REST endpoints, could
> > blocking
> > > or
> > > > > > slow
> > > > > > > > event
> > > > > > > > > > > > > listeners
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > potentially stall REST requests and impact
> > > latency?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yufei
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 11:25 AM Adam Christian
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this would be a great
> > enhancement.
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > proposing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only concern I would have is around
> > > > > > fault-tolerance.
> > > > > > > > From
> > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell, from the Quarkus documentation, the
> > > Quarkus
> > > > > > event
> > > > > > > > bus
> > > > > > > > > > > uses
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vert.x
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EventBus which does not guarantee message
> > > > delivery if
> > > > > > > > failure
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the event bus occurs [1]. However, we can
> > > easily
> > > > make
> > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quarkus's SmallRye Fault Tolerance [2]. Is my
> > > > rough
> > > > > > > > > > > understanding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inline
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with your proposal?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go community,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > https://vertx.io/docs/apidocs/io/vertx/core/eventbus/EventBus.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2]:
> > > > > > https://quarkus.io/guides/smallrye-fault-tolerance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 11:49 AM Alexandre
> > > Dutra <
> > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to propose an enhancement to our
> > > > existing
> > > > > > > > events
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feature:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability to support multiple listeners.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, only a single listener can be
> > > > active at
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > time,
> > > > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite limiting. For example, we might need
> > to
> > > > > > persist
> > > > > > > > > > events
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > audit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purposes and simultaneously send them to a
> > > > message
> > > > > > > > queue
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > optimization. With the current setup, this
> > > > isn't
> > > > > > easily
> > > > > > > > > > > > > achievable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While a composite listener could be
> > created,
> > > it
> > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > less
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elegant solution, and the delivery would be
> > > > > > strictly
> > > > > > > > > > serial,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > processing one listener after another.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to leverage Quarkus
> > internal
> > > > > > event bus
> > > > > > > > > > [1]:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) There will be one central event emitter
> > > > > > responsible
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > publishing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to the bus.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) We will have zero to N listeners, each
> > > > > > independently
> > > > > > > > > > > > watching
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event bus for relevant events. They will be
> > > > > > discovered
> > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > CDI.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) We could apply filters to each listener,
> > > > e.g.
> > > > > > > > listener A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > listens
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for event types X and Y, listener B only
> > > > listens to
> > > > > > > > event
> > > > > > > > > > > type
> > > > > > > > > > > > Y.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) This approach would ensure fully
> > > > asynchronous
> > > > > > > > delivery
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > events
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all interested listeners.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Fault-tolerance could also be easily
> > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > (event
> > > > > > > > > > > > > delivery
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retries, timeouts, etc.).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you all think?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]:
> > > > https://quarkus.io/guides/reactive-event-bus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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