Hi,

To play devil's advocate: do we really need a CHANGELOG file? :)

I agree that we need to inform users about breaking changes and user-facing
updates. However, we could simply use a "breaking-change" label on GitHub
PRs and automatically populate the Release Notes at release time, rather
than manually maintaining a CHANGELOG. The remainder of a typical CHANGELOG
is essentially just a git log, which most users do not read anyway. I have
successfully used this approach across several ASF projects.

Thoughts?

Regards,
JB


On Tue, Oct 6, 2026 at 7:08 PM Ayush Saxena <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> +1 on trying to find some way around solving CHANGELOG conflicts. Some
> numbers in case they help make the case: over the last 60 days, 75 of
> 339 commits on main touched CHANGELOG.md — roughly one in four and a
> half. Every one of those is a potential conflict with every other, and
> none of them is a real logical conflict.
>
> On Yufei's two points:
>
> ASF headers — I don't think fragments need them. rat already has an
> exclusion list in build.gradle.kts (the RatTask block around line 55),
> and it already excludes a Markdown file on exactly these grounds:
> .github/pull_request_template.md. Adding changelog.d/** is one line.
> Worth double checking though — but they never ship in a release
> artifact, since they're consumed and deleted before the RC is cut, so
> I think ASF header isn't required.
>
> Multi-PR features — this gets easier rather than harder. Today a
> follow-up has to edit shared lines in CHANGELOG.md; with fragments it
> edits or deletes one file its own feature owns, so follow-ups stop
> colliding with unrelated work.
>
> One thing worth settling in the PR:
>
> Naming. changelog.d/pr-1235.md has a chicken-and-egg problem: you
> don't know the PR number until the PR exists, so the first push never
> has the right name. Allowing a short slug
> (changelog.d/ranger-implied-grants.md), or keying off the issue number
> where one exists, avoids the extra round trip. towncrier's convention
> is <issue>.<type>.md with a +<slug>.md escape hatch for changes with
> no issue.
>
> Robert's point changes my view somewhat. If resolving in the UI
> doesn't dismiss the approval, the per-conflict cost is much lower than
> I assumed. The one cost it does leave is CI: that merge commit re-runs
> the entire pipeline for a one-line docs change.This mostly should be
> solvable, that we don't trigger the entire CI flow when the change is
> only in the CHANGELOG. With that plus a line in the PR template about
> resolving in the UI, I think the lighter option is a genuine
> alternative to the fragment directory rather than just a stopgap.
>
> -Ayush
>
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2026 at 22:23, Robert Stupp <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > CHANGELOG.md entries are usually resolvable via the GH UI.
> >
> > I did that today and it only required removing three Git conflict marker
> > lines in total. That ended in a "merge" commit generated by GH that
> didn't
> > even require another approval of the PR.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2026 at 6:41 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Alex,
> > >
> > > Thanks for raising this point, it is definitely a pain point.
> > >
> > > To address it, I think we could create a file named after the PR
> number,
> > > such as changelog.d/pr-1235.md.
> > >
> > > A few overhead items and concerns to consider:
> > >
> > > 1.  ASF Headers: New files will require ASF headers. While this is a
> bit
> > > verbose, it should be fine.
> > > 2.  Multi-PR Features: We may need to update the changelog when a
> feature
> > > is split across multiple small PRs. We could allow follow-up PRs to
> modify
> > > or even remove the changelog entry created by a previous PR. It should
> be
> > > fine as well.
> > >
> > > I'm open to other ideas as well.
> > >
> > > Yufei
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2026 at 9:05 AM Alex Dutra <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Almost every PR that touches user-facing behavior adds an entry under
> > > > "## [Unreleased]" in CHANGELOG.md. Since all of those PRs edit the
> > > > same few lines, they regularly conflict with each other. Contributors
> > > > and reviewers then spend time rebasing and re-resolving a file that
> > > > has no real logical conflicts.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to propose a process change that removes this problem:
> > > > instead of editing CHANGELOG.md directly, each PR adds its own small
> > > > file under a new changelog.d/ directory. Because two PRs never edit
> > > > the same file, they can't conflict. At release time, a script
> > > > assembles the fragments into CHANGELOG.md and deletes them.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think? If you like the idea, I can draft a PR and flesh
> > > > out the details.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > >
>

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