On Thursday, October 25, 2012, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chris Geer [mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:44 PM
> >To: [email protected] <javascript:;>
> >Subject: Re: Rave Momentum & Engagement
> >
> >On Thursday, October 25, 2012, Jasha Joachimsthal wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Chris,
> >>
> >> it has been more quiet indeed on the mailinglist, but there is still a
> lot
> >> of development going on. We now have 2 branches and a sandbox for the
> >model
> >> split, MongoDB and content services. I hope they will merge into trunk
> >> soon, so it's more visible that new functionality is developed, and it
> will
> >> decrease the chance of merge problems.
> >
> >
> >You are right, maybe "momentum" was the wrong word choice. Maybe
> >collaboration would have been better. I'm with you, I look forward to
> >getting some of these major overhauls integrated. Just in time for the
> next
> >round of major overhauls :)
>
> What fun is having code that we don't get to rewrite to make it better :)


True. Next small tweak is multi-tenancy :)

>
> BTW, early indications on the Mongo effort are positive.  I should have
> some comparison numbers at ApacheCon.
>
> >
> >>
> >> On 25 October 2012 18:55, Raminderjeet Singh
> ><[email protected] <javascript:;><javascript:;>
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Chris for taking a lead to identify the problems with Rave
> >> > activities and Roadmap. I think everyone will agree with you here. I
> >> admit
> >> > that i missed your email Model Split email. We have requirements where
> >we
> >> > want to customize user model so i will take a look at the branch this
> >> week.
> >> > I volunteer for the feedback.
> >> >
> >> > My 2 cents on development activity is we need to set some Roadmap for
> >> Rave
> >> > 1.0( a wish list). We should not keep going with 0.xx. That will bring
> >> > everyone back with their choices about Rave 1.0. We can setup some
> >> > developer hackathon using Google hangout etc between now and
> >ApacheCon.
> >> We
> >> > made a great presence in ApacheCon 2011. We need to do the same for
> >> > ApacheCon 13. ApacheCon can be set as a milestone for Rave 1.0 (just
> an
> >> > idea). To achieve that milestone community need to start talk about
> 1.0
> >> and
> >> > document it on wiki [1]. We need to expand on little details on
> >> > architecture documents also for new users to start.
> >> >
> >>
> >> The next ApacheCon starts in 10 days ;) Unfortunately I can't be there,
> but
> >> would love to join a hangout in one of the evenings. I know some of the
> >> other Rave committers will be there.
> >>
> >> Jasha
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I agree with Ross that we can better spend time implementing than
> >> > documenting but have a wish list for 1.0 can give a better direction
> to
> >> the
> >> > community.
> >> >
> >> > 1. http://wiki.apache.org/rave/RoadMap
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Raminder
> >> >
> >> > On Oct 25, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I'm a little out of touch with Rave as I'm busy elsewhere, as you
> >> > > surmise many people in your thoughtful mail below.
> >> > >
> >> > > In general though it is normal for a community to go quiet
> >> > > periodically. Things tend to happen in waves. When one individual
> gets
> >> > > busy they motivate others to get busy simply through their actions.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm never much of a fan of roadmaps being formally defined by a
> PMC. A
> >> > > projects roadmap is set by the people with time to work on it at
> that
> >> > > point in time. Putting a list of things that the PMC considers
> >> > > important on a website doesn't make those things happen. That being
> >> > > said, a little periodic re-evaluation of objectives and updating of
> >> > > the website certainly doesn't hurt. For example, I noticed that the
> >> > > home page still reflects the very high level roadmap that was
> defined
> >> > > during at proposal to the incubator. Some of the items on the
> "future"
> >> > > list have been implemented. Of course, I could have updated the home
> >> > > page when I noticed this, but I didn't because I was too busy at the
> >> > > time (and still am).
> >> > >
> >> > > If you have the time and the desire to define a roadmap that you
> think
> >> > > is important and you wish to ask for feedback on roadmap then go for
> >> > > it. However, personally, if I find I have some time for Rave I'll
> >> > > probably spend that time just implementing what is at the top of my
> >> > > personal agenda.
> >> > >
> >> > > Finally, with respect to your mail that has had no response, lazy
> >> > > consensus means that no objections means agreement. I've reviewed
> >your
> >> > > mail but don't have any opinion on it since I have not reviewed or
> >> > > tested your code. But you are a committer so I'm +0 on supporting
> your
> >> > > recommendations (not +1 as I don't have the time top properly
> review).
> >> > > If you want a little more explicit support for the proposed merge
> then
> >> > > post a reply to your own mail saying "no feedback so I assume all is
> >> > > good. I'm going to merge in the next few days". That will bring it
> >> > > back to the top of peoples inboxes and possibly prompt more review.
> >>

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