Hi Alex, 2017-10-26 22:06 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>:
> Hi Carlos, > > I have a WP-based blog, so I understand how easy it is to write some text > and have it look nice. But I'm still confused about who owns what. Does > Envato/Greatives own the look and feel of royale.codeoscopic.com or do > you? codeoscopic owns a license of movedo theme. anyone that buys the license (59$) will own it, so I think it's not a huge quantity of money > I understand that Royale is tuned more towards web applications but > to my mind, I see more and more web sites being about interactivity rather > than just displaying text and images. Even blog commenting and upvoting > looks like an app to me. > The two worlds interesect, that's evidently, but are different beast. I tried to make in the past some website with Flex, and although I did it and we get some cool effects, in the end it wasn't the right tool for the job. I did as well an Application in wordpress with some plugins due to time restrictions and while I did it, again it was not the right tool for the job and many things was very limited. > > I would like to some day use Royale to create the page you've prototyped > at royale.codeoscopic.com and maybe enhance it by having a Royale news > feed or some other backend connectivity for some of the content. But can > we replicate the look and feel of what you have prototyped and put that > under ALv2? I think we have to find a way to make that possible. The > theme or CSS that we use to replicate your prototype may not be our > default theme/CSS, but it should still be a valid theme or CSS file and > components. > without doubt, but for me this is not the right time to do it. As Harbs already agree, we need to put a website online ASAP. We can always come back and with time, can make that work. But IMHO, we need to choose an strategy and see what things are needed first and organize efforts. For me UI theme is more need than replicate something that we already have. > > That's why I'm concerned that working from Movedo is going to leak into > other things we want to do. But if we start from scratch and try to > replicate the visuals you've chosen, I would hope we can get something > that looks similar quickly and then invite more folks to help tune it. > And as Harbs says, I'm not asking you to do that work, someone else can. > What you've done already is significant and very helpful and I think you > made the right choice of using your WP skills to create it quickly. Right, but for me that work could fit into Royale examples, but would not be of much use in the framework > If we were to reproduce your prototype in Royale, I would want to create > re-usable components such as: > MenuBar > SearchShareUserProfileMoreMenuBar > TopBar (that holds all of the icon, title, MenuBar and > SearchShareProfileButtonBar) > IconTitleTextPanel > And more... > > I think you are right if we want to recreate the website and make Royale components...again for me this is and example. But, if I start to create a styling that could fit more use cases and be the default Express Component Set face? Don't you think that work would be more valuable? I think so, and is what I want to contribute next. That would be more "application" style and less "web" style. based on that work we can make more theme projects like Apache Flex already has and have an Application property "theme" to switch between themes. I think that is what I think people migrating from Apache Flex SDK expects. > Then someone else can come along and assemble their own site from these > pieces. > completely right, but expect many few people doing that since, or at least very residual, since there are other tools far better to do the job. If we want to go that route I think we will need to focus in many task that will ease that kind of target and make Apache Royale good in that area. For example, routing. For Royale to make good websites, routing is essential, and no body will use it without be able to configure deep linking in a reliable and useful way. > > Back in the Adobe days, some folks actually took the FlexStore example, > modified it slightly and deployed it in production for their own products. > We didn't care that they pretty much used the same look-and-feel. I think > we want to make the same sort of thing possible for Royale. > Alex, I think this is possible. In fact, all you expose is completely right, but I want you to think in how many hands have we now. Many of this things can be done if we get more people on board, but for this to happen we need to unblock what we have, and go to other things we need. If I need two things (website and themes), I prefer to have 1-1 than 2-0. And in some months from now, we always can come back and make the website in our technology, and maybe even change it for something fresh again. That's my 2ctns. Carlos > > Thoughts? > -Alex > > On 10/26/17, 11:27 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos > Rovira" <carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >in order to help you, Alex and Harbs (others could join as well) to > >understand all the picture, I could create an account for you in > >royale.codeoscopic.com > > > >In this way you could see point 1 of Alex's list (how integrate some new > >content in website). and most important, you will see the visual tool to > >edit and mount a new content in pages or posts. > > > >This last thing is one of the main reasons I want to use WP in the day by > >day. If you want to create some content, doing manually is a nightmare. > > > >I'll send you admin users to your accounts and you're free to enter and > >watch, (but please don't modify anything to avoid break the actual site) > > > >In order to create some default theme (point 2), again here I think we > >talking about different things. I think we don't want to base our default > >theme for UI controls in apache royale in what I did in the theme. That > >would be a mistake in since movedo principles are based on website look > >and > >usability. Fonts and spacing is huge to express content in a modern > >website. To make a comparative, if you take MDL and movedo side by side, > >the first is for applications while the second is to present text and > >images in a website. > > > >My plan, as I mention before, is to start creating a UI component styles > >that could be programed in a theme. I have in mind to make two of them: a > >wireframe theme and a full default theme. The first one could have the > >same > >sizes and fonts but with only outlines and black and white (like the flex > >wireframe to avoid style and application when you're prototyping. > > > >Regarding time to replicate movedo theme with our own styling, I'm sure is > >not a two day task, but more, there's so much there, and only to get > >something that only will be a shadow of the original. > > > >As Harbs mention there's people making styling, but as they are not > >commenting in this list we don't know anything about if they are doing > >something this days, or maybe they couldn't use that time to work on this. > > > >For last (point 3), I did wordpress themes some years ago, and is a huge > >task to do, in time and effort. And with time you can get something of > >quality, but again, why we want to spend our time in something we already > >have? I don't find anything here, since we are not here to create WP > >themes, I prefer to use that time to create an Apache Royale UI theme and > >even help to program it, because that is what we really need to make more > >people join us. > > > > > > > > > >2017-10-26 19:37 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>: > > > >> Another point to consider: > >> > >> We’ve had some folks offer to help with skinning Royale components. It > >> should be pretty straightforward to give them (and anyone else who > >>wants to > >> help) committer rights to the website repo. If we have more people > >>working > >> on it, the task of recreating the appearance achieved through the Movedo > >> CSS should be al lot easier. > >> > >> I don’t feel comfortable asking Carlos to do more work than he’s > >>offered, > >> but with help from others, it might be a lot easier. > >> > >> Harbs > >> > >> > On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Carlos, > >> > > >> > I don't know if the "Apache Way" is a problem here. So far I think we > >> > have heard opinions and concerns but AFAICT no hard policy has been > >> quoted > >> > that prevents having royale.a.o point to WP.com. > >> > > >> > But I am still unclear if hosting our site on WP is really the best > >> > strategy. I have the following concerns: > >> > > >> > 1) How would be include a Royale application in our site? > >> > 2) How would we style the Royale application to look consistent with > >>the > >> > rest of the site? > >> > 3) Could we ever create a theme based on this styling? > >> > > >> > I didn't, and still don't, understand how WP themes and their > >>licensing > >> > work, otherwise I think I would have asked more questions up front. I > >> > thought you would own copyright on the results, just like using Adobe > >> > Dreamweaver and Adobe Illustrator to build out a site doesn't put the > >> > content under Adobe licensing. > >> > > >> > That doesn't appear to be the case here, but I think we do need to > >> > consider the 3 concerns I've listed. > >> > > >> > Both you and Harbs claim that replicating your prototype's look and > >>feel > >> > will be a lot of work, but how much work are really talking about, > >>and do > >> > we have to exactly replicate it (and should we)? If you think about > >>how > >> > Royale components are created, they work with some default CSS. I > >>think > >> > if we implement themes, we'll end up with components with particular > >> > "sub-DOMs" and CSS that dictates the visuals on those sub-DOMs. > >>AIUI, we > >> > are expecting artwork from some designers about other default looks > >>for > >> > Royale components. Won't we be facing a similar challenge of trying > >>to > >> > figure out the CSS that best matches what we see on a screen? > >> > > >> > So, I think it is great that WP and MoveDo helped you create this > >> > fantastic looking prototype. But, IMO, one direction we can go from > >>here > >> > is to try to replicate the visuals you created in CSS in a way that > >>can > >> be > >> > re-used via the Apache Way. I think we'd learn about themes as we > >>try to > >> > do that. Could we get most of the way there in a couple of days? > >>Then > >> > others can offer fine-tuning via patches. > >> > > >> > And yes, WP is tuned towards templated content in a consistent way, > >>but > >> it > >> > would be interesting to build Royale components that do something > >> similar. > >> > > >> > Thoughts? > >> > -Alex > >> > > >> > On 10/26/17, 1:12 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos > >> Rovira" > >> > <carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Harbs is right, > >> >> > >> >> to get something that looks cool and consistent is difficult and for > >> this > >> >> reason I use wordpress+theme (in this case movedo). Is the same > >>thing as > >> >> why people use flex or royale. Is the way to start from a point where > >> you > >> >> are more efficient and maintenance can be assumed. > >> >> > >> >> Alex, you see lots of difference since I customized via movedo > >>interface > >> >> but as well did some tweaks in custom css (for example the footer > >>column > >> >> menus) > >> >> > >> >> So could we rework the site without wp and movedo. Sure, as I stated > >>all > >> >> sites can be write in different ways, but the long term reason to > >>adopt > >> a > >> >> CMS like WP is to have a backend to introduce content of quality in > >>the > >> >> most easy way while preserving quality on presentation (styles, > >>fonts, > >> >> effects...) > >> >> > >> >> I think we are in a situation where "the Apache way" fails completely > >> >> since > >> >> we should be able to make this quick and easy and concentrate in our > >> >> Royale > >> >> code, that is why we are here, and why I tried to go this path: to > >>get > >> >> something that looks good and professional but to spend very few time > >> for > >> >> our part. > >> >> > >> >> I'm very pragmatic, and like to go to the point. All Apache rules > >>should > >> >> be > >> >> focused in protect the code we release, and we should have less > >>trouble > >> >> with tools like WP, Jira, Nexus, and the rest. In fact Apache is > >>using > >> >> those tools all along the way, why is so hard to do this? > >> >> > >> >> We only need: > >> >> > >> >> * Some host for a Wordpress instance: this could be the current > >> >> Codeoscopic > >> >> subdomain or whatever people like. I'd be more happy if the wp > >>instance > >> is > >> >> in some server that could be controlled and maintained by ASF. I > >>don't > >> >> know > >> >> if this could be WP.com or some ASF's virtual machine that could host > >> >> that. > >> >> > >> >> * The Movedo theme: I write to Dimitri, from greatives. He is very > >> >> supportive and very like the idea, but is not in their hands. He > >>point > >> me > >> >> to talk with envato, and I write to them, but still doesn't have a > >> >> response. My thinking here is that we really don't need nothing of > >>this. > >> >> Envato could donate a license but is only 59$, so is something > >> affordable > >> >> by a simple donation. > >> >> > >> >> * Finaly to generate an static site from WP. This is as well not > >>needed, > >> >> but we can do it. People use to generate wp static version in order > >>to > >> >> protect their sites from hacking. That's the only relevant point to > >>do > >> >> this. So for me is something we can do if the rest of community wants > >> it. > >> >> Is very easy to do. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Additionaly: As we are not uploading any website code to any ASF > >>repo, > >> >> since as I said, it would be like to upload the JIRA source code to > >>our > >> >> repos, and that doesn't give us anything (we're here to release only > >> >> apache > >> >> royale code). we can : > >> >> > >> >> 1.- Use the royale.codeoscopic.com wp instance as the tool for us to > >> >> modify > >> >> the site (people in our community will have user/pass in this wp > >> instance > >> >> to create post and pages) > >> >> (in this way is similar to the server Alex had on his own to make > >>some > >> >> apache flex task, correct me if I'm wrong) > >> >> Again, it can be royale.codeoscopic.com or other hosting ASF wants. > >> >> > >> >> 2.- Each time something changes: generate static site and deploy to > >> >> royale.apache.org > >> >> (in this case the set of static generated html/js/css could not be > >> >> uploaded > >> >> to any ASF repo since we don't want to release the website code, that > >> must > >> >> be served in the same way ASF serves JIRA, or whatever other > >>commercial > >> >> tool > >> >> > >> >> Hosting a generated site with a movedo commercial theme needs of a > >>59$ > >> >> license that could be donated by envato or donated for other > >> >> person/company > >> >> (for example Codeoscopic) > >> >> > >> >> For me this is quick and easy and I think we're not making something > >> wrong > >> >> in legal terms > >> >> > >> >> Carlos > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2017-10-26 9:24 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>: > >> >> > >> >>> It’s using greatives’ CSS and JS files for styling, layout and > >>effects. > >> >>> > >> >>> Generally, these themes have a lot of flexibility to change the > >>look of > >> >>> a > >> >>> site without messing with CSS and JS. > >> >>> > >> >>> Can we re-write the CSS and JS to do the same kind of thing? > >>Probably. > >> >>> But > >> >>> it would be a considerable amount of work. > >> >>> > >> >>> What’s included in the license? I’m really not sure. > >> >>> > >> >>> It gives rights to us the theme in WordPress. Does that allow > >> >>> repurposing > >> >>> the CSS and JS files for use elsewhere? I don’t know. > >> >>> > >> >>> Harbs > >> >>> > >> >>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'm still confused about something. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Can someone explain how creativity and licensing are > >>interconnected? > >> >>> I'm not familiar with WP themes, but I think they are templates with > >> >>> placeholders for particular aspects of a web page/blog. I've been > >>told > >> >>> that this Royale site prototype is based on the Movedo theme. When > >>I > >> >>> searched for it on the internet I ended up here: > >> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> http%3A%2F%2Fgreatives > >> >>> .eu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b1b5a7b344 > >> >>> 38794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217&sdata= > >> VI0EOLywsaxbKgmhAe > >> >>> F08cdZNQjcgtIjyFvJ2R33hlo%3D&reserved=0 > >> >>> themeforest/themeswitcher/?product=movedo#movedo > >> >>>> > >> >>>> It doesn't look at all like the prototype at > >> >>> > >> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co > >> >>> deoscopic.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b1b > >> >>> 5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217& > >> sdata=3GHfDzdFp6B > >> >>> 4RQMLuP00jKAHmwQ1QMubUd4dgz3FdTA%3D&reserved=0. Maybe the menu bar > >> >>> along the top? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> So what did we license from greatives? Can Carlos or someone else > >> >>> try > >> >>> to reproduce the prototype without looking at the current CSS and > >>maybe > >> >>> use > >> >>> AL licensed fonts or something like that? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks, > >> >>>> -Alex > >> >>>> > >> >>>> From: Dave Fisher > >> >>> <dave2w...@comcast.net<mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net>> > >> >>>> Reply-To: <dev@royale.apache.org<mailto:dev@royale.apache.org>> > >> >>>> Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:06 AM > >> >>>> To: <dev@royale.apache.org<mailto:dev@royale.apache.org>> > >> >>>> Subject: Re: Apache Royale static web site > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi Alex, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> We will need to ask Carlos to list out all of the themes he uses > >>and > >> >>> then we will need to track things down and ask questions. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Here is the site for what looks like the main theme: > >> >>> > >> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> https%3A%2F%2Fgreative > >> >>> s.ticksy.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b > >> >>> 1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217& > >> sdata=KBxlYi2QO > >> >>> PDqNGhTsU6GJMhdUggdHVZjiYetcIcE8vE%3D&reserved=0 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> It is the Move Do theme. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Regards, > >> >>>> Dave > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > < > >> >>> mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi Dave, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'm still wondering, even if we can see and reuse the CSS/JS/HTML, > >>do > >> >>> we > >> >>> have the rights to replicate use of that look-and-feel elsewhere? I > >> >>> don't > >> >>> understand who owns the creative content. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thoughts? > >> >>>> -Alex > >> >>>> > >> >>>> From: Dave Fisher > >><dave2w...@comcast.net<mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net > >> >>>> <mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net>> > >> >>>> Reply-To: <dev@royale.apache.org<mailto:dev@royale.apache.org > >> ><mailto: > >> >>> dev@royale.apache.org>> > >> >>>> Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 10:50 AM > >> >>>> To: <dev@royale.apache.org<mailto:dev@royale.apache.org><mailto: > >> >>> dev@royale.apache.org>> > >> >>>> Subject: Re: Apache Royale static web site > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi Alex, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > < > >> >>> mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID><mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> There is something I don't think I understand. AIUI, at some > >>point, > >> >>> we > >> >>>> will want the Apache Royale site to include actual Royale > >> >>> applications, > >> >>>> right? And I would think we would want the styling of those > >> >>> applications > >> >>>> to be consistent with the rest of the site. So I'm not clear how > >>we > >> >>> will > >> >>>> be able to implement the styling/theme of these Royale applications > >> >>> if we > >> >>>> don't have rights to the styling. I don't understand how WP themes > >> >>> and > >> >>>> commercial licensing works if we want to replicate that user > >> >>> experience > >> >>>> outside of WP. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> We need to examine the static export of the CSS and HTML. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> If we can use those visuals outside of WP, then why must we > >>continue > >> >>> to > >> >>>> use WP to generate the site? I would hope the theme would be > >> >>> implemented > >> >>>> as CSS and some templates we could use without WP. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> We should be able to adapt. Site building in the CMS can get > >>complex > >> >>> if > >> >>> needed. 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They would need to figure out where in WP it comes > >> >>> from? > >> >>>> Is there a patch process for WP content? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Possibly. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Sorry if there is some basic thing I am missing. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> It will get complex first as we figure out how to embed and then it > >> >>> will > >> >>> get simplified as we find the best way. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Regards, > >> >>>> Dave > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks, > >> >>>> -Alex > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On 10/24/17, 10:19 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com<mailto: > >> >>> carlos.rov...@gmail.com><mailto:carlos.rov...@gmail.com> on behalf > >>of > >> >>> Carlos > >> >>>> Rovira" > >> >>> <carlos.rov...@gmail.com<mailto:carlos.rov...@gmail.com><mailto: > >> >>> carlos.rov...@gmail.com> on behalf of > >> >>>> carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com<mailto:carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com > >> >>>> <mailto:carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks Dave, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'll write an email to trademarks to start with the process. I > >>think > >> >>> is > >> >>>> better to migrate to > >> >>> WP.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> http%3A%2F%2FWP > >> >>> .com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438 > >> >>> 794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217&sdata= > >> pPTlG8DjwzO%2FN%2B0r > >> >>> euRRSegBNuKdtuonR2fro55wfgs%3D&reserved=0><https://na01. > >> safelinks.protect > >> >>> ion.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FWP.com&data=02%7C01%7C% > >> 7Cdb97bd994ab24e > >> >>> e2f91c08d51c496496%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023 > >> >>> 931803217&sdata=pPTlG8DjwzO%2FN%2B0reuRRSegBNuKdtuonR2fro55wfg > >> s%3D&reserv > >> >>> ed=0> before > >> >>> continue working on content so we can > >> >>>> detect whatever issue we could get. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Carlos > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> 2017-10-24 18:56 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher > >><dave2w...@comcast.net<mailto: > >> >>> dave2w...@comcast.net><mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net>>: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi Carlos, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Carlos Rovira > >><carlosrov...@apache.org< > >> >>> mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org><mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> just let you know that I tried to create an static version of the > >> >>>> preview > >> >>>> site with success. I use this plugin : > >> >>>> > >> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> >>> https%3A%2F%2Fwordpres > >> >>>> > >> >>> s.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> http%3A%2F%2Fs.o > >> >>> rg%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3443 > >> >>> 8794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217&sdata= > >> 6zrqW3l9%2BJqeOxjih > >> >>> uPWtMuguPsUDWnbqhyRxVXiTfI%3D&reserved=0>%2Fplugins% > >> 2Fsimply-static%2F&da > >> >>> ta=02%7C01%7C% > >> >>> 7Cb448363ee5984b3b3e0f > >> >>>> 08d51b0373f8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > >> >>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636444624020033 > >> >>>> 702&sdata=RPTFT7Qq0bq1AKmh1fqnLuMJ0hWIpn > rieARat1lz2bk%3D&reserved=0 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> and we can generate all static content with relative or absolute > >>urls. > >> >>>> The > >> >>>> final preview site in static is 134mb > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Another thing I was searching was to use a WP to Jekyll exporter > >>but > >> >>>> this > >> >>>> is not what I wanted since it seems Jekyll is all about markdown > >>and > >> >>>> we > >> >>>> want a full html site with all the eye candy JS+CSS resources. In > >>the > >> >>>> end, > >> >>>> and thinking more about it, is not what we want since although the > >> >>>> site > >> >>>> would be exported ok, we don't want to upload it to the GitHub > >>pages > >> >>>> like > >> >>>> we discusses in the other thread due to expose part of the code of > >>a > >> >>>> commercial wp theme. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> So, the workflow we can use is: Use the WP backend to enter new > >> >>>> content > >> >>>> and > >> >>>> modify existing want with ease (this is important is we want people > >> >>>> contributing here). Next, with all changes done, generate a static > >> >>>> version > >> >>>> and replace the entire site with a fresh generated static site at > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >>royale.apache.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection. > outlook.com/?url=http > >>s%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7Cf48589d8bd1f492c5fa > >>a08d51c9f4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C63644639288262 > >>1163&sdata=sGpOejdnYm9ethgBTpcH6BOWqrk03uUUxEuLBqdARrs%3D&reserved=0. > >> outlook.com/?url=http > >> >>> %3A%2F%2Froyale.apache.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C% > >> 7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51 > >> >>> c496496%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0% > >> 7C636446023931803217&s > >> >>> data=QlbAmzJ21HAYHnJk6PhyGBH9%2Fp8e0afhsur%2B6uYGutU%3D& > reserved=0>. > >> and > >> >>> as well route the > >> >>> more friendly domain to this > >> >>>> if > >> >>>> board is ok with that. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Yes! External domain > >> >>> > >>royalysdk.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=https%3A > >>%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook&data=02% > 7C01%7C%7Cf48589d8bd1f492 > >>c5faa08d51c9f4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364463928 > >>82621163&sdata=RNMeqD3EctghlnHrEBOG3x27PD7COr > S9p2zHjJMq%2FnM%3D&reserved= > >>0. > >> com/?url=http%3A% > >> >>> 2F%2Froyalysdk.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496% > >> >>> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0% > >> 7C636446023931803217&sdata=Dmo > >> >>> CAUlAVHkkOp0uFdDH0%2FoUUU9qwdl00M8fWRe888Q%3D&reserved=0> is > >> redirected > >> >>> to > >> >>> > >>royale.apache.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection. > outlook.com/?url=http > >>s%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7Cf48589d8bd1f492c5fa > >>a08d51c9f4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C63644639288262 > >>1163&sdata=sGpOejdnYm9ethgBTpcH6BOWqrk03uUUxEuLBqdARrs%3D&reserved=0. > >> outlook.com/?url=http > >> >>> %3A%2F%2Froyale.apache.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C% > >> 7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51 > >> >>> c496496%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0% > >> 7C636446023931803217&s > >> >>> data=QlbAmzJ21HAYHnJk6PhyGBH9%2Fp8e0afhsur%2B6uYGutU%3D&reserved=0> > >>as > >> >>>> discussed. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> We can check with apache board or trademarks what they propose > >>about > >> >>>> to > >> >>>> create a > >> >>> > >>Wordpress.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=https%3A > >>%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook&data=02% > 7C01%7C%7Cf48589d8bd1f492 > >>c5faa08d51c9f4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364463928 > >>82621163&sdata=RNMeqD3EctghlnHrEBOG3x27PD7COr > S9p2zHjJMq%2FnM%3D&reserved= > >>0. > >> com/?url=http%3A% > >> >>> 2F%2Fwordpress.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496% > >> >>> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0% > >> 7C636446023931803217&sdata=%2B > >> >>> xX2xQ5c8v87RU%2Fj94l28qKtyHtXlRTfyII%2FHRNDyoI%3D&reserved=0> > >>account > >> >>> managed by Apache > >> >>> and migrate from my > >> >>>> server > >> >>>> to that account, and all this stuff from there, since if I remember > >> >>>> some > >> >>>> people said that would be more ok with Apache.I'd end removing my > >>temp > >> >>>> subdomain after this. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> The advantage of using the > >> >>> > >>Wordpress.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=https%3A > >>%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook&data=02% > 7C01%7C%7Cf48589d8bd1f492 > >>c5faa08d51c9f4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364463928 > >>82621163&sdata=RNMeqD3EctghlnHrEBOG3x27PD7COr > S9p2zHjJMq%2FnM%3D&reserved= > >>0. > >> com/?url=http%3A% > >> >>> 2F%2Fwordpress.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496% > >> >>> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0% > >> 7C636446023931803217&sdata=%2B > >> >>> xX2xQ5c8v87RU%2Fj94l28qKtyHtXlRTfyII%2FHRNDyoI%3D&reserved=0> > >> >>> location is twofold: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> (1) Wordpress keeps security up to date. > >> >>>> (2) If something happens to you or your company then we have better > >> >>>> access. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I suspect though that with the status export method this will not > >>be > >> >>> as > >> >>>> great a concern. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> What do you think? Can I move this with the people we were talking > >> >>>> some > >> >>>> weeks ago? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Either you or I can email Trademarks with the plan. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> We can then discuss the redirection with Infrastructure and get the > >> >>> site > >> >>>> checked in. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Regards, > >> >>>> Dave > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Let me know in order to start making the next steps > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Carlos Rovira > >> >>>> > >> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> >>> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me% > >> >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb448363ee5984b3b3e0f08d51b03 > >> >>> 73f8%7Cfa7b1 > >> >>>> b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636444624020033702& > >> >>> sdata=1q5B1u1lLR > >> >>>> HGdnDh8VH9pkaTkdCPk51wt%2FCUJgzQo0c%3D&reserved=0 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> > >> >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> >>> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >>scopic.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=https%3A%2F > >>%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook&data=02% > 7C01%7C%7Cf48589d8bd1f492c5f > >>aa08d51c9f4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364463928826 > >>21163&sdata=RNMeqD3EctghlnHrEBOG3x27PD7COrS9p2zHjJMq%2FnM%3D&reserved=0. > >> com/?url=http%3A%2F% > >> >>> 2Fscopic.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b > >> >>> 1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217& > >> sdata=oG9idkXzU > >> >>> tg91G5vhl5P0Dn2u8gXX55UvN172PAlPXs%3D&reserved=0>&data=02%7C01%7C% > >> >>> 7Cb448363ee5984b3b3e0f08d51b0373f8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b > >> >>>> 34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636444624020033702& > >> >>> sdata=Y%2Fkytu4lJUWu5H > >> >>>> zinyiNAxCBpRGAfK3GFX9REzYNI%2F0%3D&reserved=0> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Carlos Rovira > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Director General > >> >>>> > >> >>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> >>> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeos > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >>copic.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=https%3A%2F% > >>2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7Cf48589d8bd1f492c5fa > >>a08d51c9f4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C63644639288262 > >>1163&sdata=RNMeqD3EctghlnHrEBOG3x27PD7COrS9p2zHjJMq%2FnM%3D&reserved=0. > >> com/?url=http%3A%2F%2 > >> >>> Fcopic.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b1b > >> >>> 5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217& > >> sdata=ZPPDqp5SNhK > >> >>> C2rzYxfzkSV7f8lDtLmaRyyaMAlvtRcw%3D&reserved=0>&data=02%7C01%7C% > >> >>> 7Cb448363ee5984b3b3e0f08d51b0373f8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3 > >> >>>> 4438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636444624020033702&sdata=Y% > >> >>> 2Fkytu4lJUWu5Hz > >> >>>> inyiNAxCBpRGAfK3GFX9REzYNI%2F0%3D&reserved=0 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Conocenos Avant2 en 1 minuto! > >> >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> >>> https%3A%2F%2Favant2.e > >> >>>> s%2F%23video&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb448363ee5984b3b3e0f08d51b03 > >> >>> 73f8%7Cfa7b1b5a > >> >>>> 7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636444624020033702& > >> >>> sdata=SJmmZQTVSb0tmX > >> >>>> r73WVQr%2BLVhv6%2BLRMgcQyhBgOo1KI%3D&reserved=0> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede > >> >>> contener > >> >>>> información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este > >>mensaje > >> >>> por > >> >>>> error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta > >>misma > >> >>> vía > >> >>> y > >> >>>> proceda a su destrucción. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le > >> >>>> comunicamos > >> >>>> que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es > >> >>> CODEOSCOPIC > >> >>>> S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación > >>del > >> >>>> servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de > >>acceso, > >> >>>> rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a > >> >>>> nuestras > >> >>>> oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la > >> >>> documentación > >> >>>> necesaria. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo > >> >> scopic.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b1b5a7b > >> >> 34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217& > >> sdata=ZPowinnGs4jxxXQ4 > >> >> hULLfJLfWsGXx9zNLKnS9W7JoNY%3D&reserved=0> > >> >> > >> >> Carlos Rovira > >> >> > >> >> Director General > >> >> > >> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >> >> > >> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeos > >> >> copic.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3 > >> >> 4438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217&sdata= > >> ZPowinnGs4jxxXQ4h > >> >> ULLfJLfWsGXx9zNLKnS9W7JoNY%3D&reserved=0 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Conocenos Avant2 en 1 minuto! > >> >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >> https%3A%2F%2Favant2.e > >> >> s%2F%23video&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb97bd994ab24ee2f91c08d51c49 > >> 6496%7Cfa7b1b5a > >> >> 7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446023931803217& > >> sdata=ZiX3l%2FtQwsOG > >> >> QN%2BibIJ5pxYpI5UboaH26BzM%2F9AtaLg%3D&reserved=0> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede > >>contener > >> >> información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje > >>por > >> >> error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma > >> vía y > >> >> proceda a su destrucción. > >> >> > >> >> De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le > >> >> comunicamos > >> >> que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es > >>CODEOSCOPIC > >> >> S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del > >> >> servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso, > >> >> rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a > >> >> nuestras > >> >> oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la > >>documentación > >> >> necesaria. > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > > > ><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo > >scopic.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf48589d8bd1f492c5faa08d51c9f > 4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b > >34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446392882621163& > sdata=lKI9XjSOeXi%2Brk > >UN0qJG%2F57in9KVLsXMs2yU56LYHmk%3D&reserved=0> > > > >Carlos Rovira > > > >Director General > > > >M: +34 607 22 60 05 > > > >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeos > >copic.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf48589d8bd1f492c5faa08d51c9f > 4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3 > >4438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446392882621163& > sdata=lKI9XjSOeXi%2BrkU > >N0qJG%2F57in9KVLsXMs2yU56LYHmk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > >Conocenos Avant2 en 1 minuto! > ><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Favant2.e > >s%2F%23video&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf48589d8bd1f492c5faa08d51c9f > 4cfc%7Cfa7b1b5a > >7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636446392882621163& > sdata=H2q8lqkz3DT6UD > >tSbrEjUPjektN2ii9zreOhSmlCdB0%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > >Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener > >información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por > >error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y > >proceda a su destrucción. > > > >De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le > >comunicamos > >que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC > >S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del > >servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso, > >rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a > >nuestras > >oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación > >necesaria. > > -- <http://www.codeoscopic.com> Carlos Rovira Director General M: +34 607 22 60 05 http://www.codeoscopic.com Conocenos Avant2 en 1 minuto! <https://avant2.es/#video> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda a su destrucción. De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le comunicamos que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso, rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a nuestras oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación necesaria.
