I would ask for 90 days to give us a bit more time, but I think this is a good idea.
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:44 PM, Alex Harui <[email protected]> wrote: > > FWIW, maybe the least effort choice right now is to ask ASF Trademarks and > Infra for a 60 day exception to redirect royale.a.o to > royale.codeoscopic.com <http://royale.codeoscopic.com/>. That'll keep us for > burning more energy trying to > make this work some other way so we can get other stuff done, including > creating a similar site the traditional way based on the things we liked > from royale.codeoscopic. > > Thoughts? > -Alex > > On 10/30/17, 3:45 AM, "[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Carlos Rovira" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Hi Alex, >> >> notice that the actual preview site is only that. We told about to get the >> site to some compromise point when we could evaluate it. >> As I get to that point, folks agree about the direction of the site. We >> are >> know seeing how to put this working for us. It seems that current talk >> with >> Greg and others is going on the good track. So If we end pushing the >> preview site to royale.apache.org, I'll be working ASAP to finish the rest >> of the site in order to get it final. >> >> Let's see what happen. >> >> Thanks >> >> Carlos >> >> >> >> 2017-10-30 4:13 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <[email protected]>: >> >>> I think there were objections to that as well. Also note that the >>> current >>> state of >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co> >>> deoscopic.com >>> <http://deoscopic.com/>&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b >>> 5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&sdata=0899xFFPDf8 >>> NmBRpAp%2FlHVCzspV5ed7fKnf6WwJPIlM%3D&reserved=0 may need some other >>> adjustments to >>> be approved by Apache's VP Branding as a valid home page for an Apache >>> project. This page [1] mentions a "Donate" button and some other >>> things. >>> >>> Carlos has done a great job and spent plenty of his precious time on >>> this >>> already, but the choice of commercial themes is turning out to be a >>> problem. One option I think we have is to see what changes Carlos would >>> have to make to his site for it to be ruled as a "fan site" and build a >>> simpler and conforming site on royale.a.o with CSS that "looks similar" >>> but with conforming content. >>> >>> My 2 cents, >>> -Alex >>> >>> [1] >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach> >>> e.org >>> <http://e.org/>%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af619510 >>> 8d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364495717568822 >>> 95&sdata=wkvJSvbx7mZ4ZlVaI5pp36eed0MEE6BdROZVTJu7nfs%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> On 10/29/17, 10:51 AM, "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> on >>> behalf of OmPrakash >>> Muppirala" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. We might want to avoid that. >>>> >>>> Looks like the option of pointing to a wp.com <http://wp.com/> site has >>>> been done >>> already. >>>> >>>> Can we push for this? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Om >>>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2017 10:37 AM, "Carlos Rovira" >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Om, >>>>> >>>>> I think that's the better option, but my question is how to do this. >>>>> >>>>> How we can put the static generated site live under royale.apache.org >>>>> <http://royale.apache.org/> >>>>> without having that code on some repo? (the latest is very important) >>>>> can we do this? do you know how to do it? >>>>> >>>>> note: remember that we don't want to upload the actual website code >>> to >>>>> some >>>>> public repo due to commercial code licenses (movedo theme license) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Carlos >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2017-10-29 2:10 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>: >>>>> >>>>>> I suggest we just release what Carlos as a static website for now. >>>>>> As time goes by, volunteers can build up a separate website using >>> just >>>>>> Royale. At some point we can simply swap out the wp.com >>>>>> <http://wp.com/> site with >>> the >>>>> new >>>>>> Royale based website. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is absolutely no requirement that the new site has to look >>> like >>>>> the >>>>>> wp.com <http://wp.com/>. So, worrying about legal implications of >>>>>> maintaining the >>> same >>>>>> look >>>>>> and feel is premature. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's not make perfect the enemy of the good. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Om >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Carlos Rovira >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Yishay for your words >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2017-10-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Yishay Weiss <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carlos, I agree that our resources are limited and this this >>> might >>>>> not >>>>>> be >>>>>>>> the best way to spend them at this point. However, there are >>> some >>>>>> points >>>>>>>> that have not been mentioned in this discussion that make me >>>>> think we >>>>>>>> should try to move our site to Royale. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One is that we claim to be different to other frameworks in >>> that >>>>>> overhead >>>>>>>> can be much smaller. A site that performs at the level of a >>>>> classic >>>>>>> static >>>>>>>> site would be a significant proof of concept. If it doesn’t >>>>> perform >>>>>> well >>>>>>>> enough we’ll have some information on where we can improve in >>> that >>>>>>> regard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Related, we need to finally start eating our dog food. The more >>>>> visible >>>>>>>> our dog food, the more feedback we’ll get. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, if new people really want to contribute to out site, I’d >>>>> much >>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>> have them learn Royale than WP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's ok. I only said that we are run out of resources and I >>> don't >>>>> see >>>>>>> many people available to make this effort. >>>>>>> In my case, my plan was to focus on design to bring something >>> good >>>>> to >>>>>>> production, but didn't expect such problems with something we >>> should >>>>> put >>>>>>> online, complete with real content and focus on other things. >>>>>>> In my case, I would prefer to donate my tiny time in other things >>>>> more >>>>>>> needed. In concrete I prefer to donate in "theme" feature, >>> styling >>>>>> express, >>>>>>> and so on... >>>>>>> But if someone wants to work on replicate the site with Royale >>> our >>>>> other >>>>>>> html plain code, that's right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other words, whether or not Royale ends up being a good tool >>>>> for >>>>>>>> classic web sites I see some reasons to try and achieve that >>> for >>>>> our >>>>>> own >>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally, suppose I wanted to replicate your site in Royale just >>>>> for >>>>> the >>>>>>>> heck of it. Would that be ok from a legal stand-point? I >>> couldn’t >>>>>>>> understand that from the thread so far. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we recreate the site with our own set of CSS, JS, that's >>> right. >>>>> Nobody >>>>>>> could say us nothing since no commercial code is involved there. >>>>>>> As well, If we put the actual static generated site online, >>> without >>>>>> having >>>>>>> to upload the code to any repo, that's alright as well, since is >>> the >>>>>> normal >>>>>>> use, and the rest of people using that theme is doing the same. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your considerations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carlos >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, and great work so far. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= >>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=> >>> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.code >>>>> oscopic.com >>>>> <http://oscopic.com/>&data=02%7C01%7C%7C76c801888c3d4049ca8c08d51ef5 >>> b4c5%7Cfa7b1b5a >>>>> 7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636448963003434412& >>> sdata=9LfHDTE%2BCri >>>>> 6177x5CCX1J0QTkIry1aQDsYS%2FBxHNz4%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> >>>>> Carlos Rovira >>>>> >>>>> Director General >>>>> >>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= >>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=> >>> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo >>>>> scopic.com >>>>> <http://scopic.com/>&data=02%7C01%7C%7C76c801888c3d4049ca8c08d51ef5 >>> b4c5%7Cfa7b1b5a7 >>>>> b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636448963003434412& >>> sdata=9LfHDTE%2BCri6 >>>>> 177x5CCX1J0QTkIry1aQDsYS%2FBxHNz4%3D&reserved=0 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Conocenos Avant2 en 1 minuto! >>> >>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Favant >>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Favant> >>>>> 2 >>> . >>>>> es%2F%23video&data=02%7C01%7C%7C76c801888c3d4049ca8c08d51ef5 >>> b4c5%7Cfa7b1b >>>>> 5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636448963003434412& >>> sdata=AHQo5j38pqI >>>>> 0UEabS7J1AW0jQEwOvWcvqFsVdpKTakM%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede >>> contener >>>>> información privilegiada o confidencial. 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La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del >>>>> servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso, >>>>> rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a >>>>> nuestras >>>>> oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la >>> documentación >>>>> necesaria. >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo> >> scopic.com >> <http://scopic.com/>&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b >> 34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&sdata=x6RD%2Fu56EFXXK5 >> aWDZFGSpBV%2B%2FMduJT8tFYH%2Fi37IwI%3D&reserved=0> >> >> Carlos Rovira >> >> Director General >> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeos >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeos> >> copic.com >> <http://copic.com/>&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3 >> 4438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&sdata=x6RD%2Fu56EFXXK5a >> WDZFGSpBV%2B%2FMduJT8tFYH%2Fi37IwI%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> Conocenos Avant2 en 1 minuto! >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Favant2.e >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Favant2.e> >> s%2F%23video&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a >> 7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&sdata=7F7ul9r6XR%2Bj >> K%2FpAqHmvUtNPoNaMSaZlixNNaOLbbC0%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener >> información privilegiada o confidencial. 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