Hi Piotr, I'm fine with the decisions you would like to take regarding that links. I just setup an initial layout.
So, if I understand well I must to remove only the status link? 2017-11-13 12:42 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]>: > Carlos, > > I'm not convinced that we should move framework build from Alex's Azure PC. > It is really convenient if something went wrong to just connect with the > PC. If you would like to have distribution build under Apache umbrella you > will need to fight with Infra about that. Maven is building on Apache > servers, Chris handle that. I would rather not invest the time in that > since we have working everything on Alex PC, but that's just mine > convenient and save time view. :) > > Piotr > > > 2017-11-13 12:36 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <[email protected]>: > > > Hi Piotr, > > > > ok, as we are still in preview site, not published, I think is better to > > wait for the final link. > > One thing is confusing me is that status link is more legit ( > > builds.apache.org) than the nightly links (apacheflexbuild.cloudapp.net) > > > > I think in a final stage we should not have "apacheflexbuild" right? > > But status seems ok to me at first sight > > > > thanks > > > > 2017-11-12 20:04 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]>: > > > > > Another thing is: "Apache Royale Jenkings Job Status" - This status > > showing > > > the state of Maven build which is hosted on builds.apache.org. Since > we > > > are > > > using Alex's machine for producing ditribution package for developers > we > > > should not have it this link on the website. > > > > > > Maven is able to build distribution package, but so far it's missing > some > > > things and you can use that package only for code completion purposes > in > > > your IDE either Moonshine or VSCode. If I find resources I hope I will > > fix > > > it and we can then linking to Maven build. > > > > > > Thanks Carslo for that website! :) > > > Piotr > > > > > > > > > 2017-11-12 18:42 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > Hi Carlos, > > > > > > > > Here you go links to Royale. I see proper names. Royale [1] JS Only > > [2]. > > > I > > > > did just quick look and when I came to the website I started to > search > > > this > > > > information that Nightly is not for production. After w while I have > > > found > > > > this red rectangle. I think font size could be a bit bigger there. > > > > > > > > [1] http://apacheflexbuild.cloudapp.net:8080/job/royale- > > > > asjs/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/ > > > > [2] http://apacheflexbuild.cloudapp.net:8080/job/royale-asjs-jsonly/ > > > > lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/ > > > > > > > > Piotr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-11-12 18:30 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> here's the download page for you to review. > > > >> > > > >> http://royale.codeoscopic.com/download/ > > > >> > > > >> Some things to mention: > > > >> > > > >> * As we already don't have release binaries, the first section could > > be > > > >> consider under construction > > > >> * For nightly builds I use the links posted by Alex in October. I > > think > > > >> those links are somewhat temporal since are labeled in "FlexJS" > > instead > > > of > > > >> "RoyaleJS" or something and he mentions the to rename in the future. > > > >> > > > >> You can check if links are the expected, or we need to put something > > > more. > > > >> > > > >> Take into account that the info is what I found navigating through > the > > > >> mailing list and since I'm not a user of that links, although we > will > > > need > > > >> to update as we get final names, they can be wrong links at this > time. > > > >> > > > >> Hope you guys could let me know what is right and wrong > > > >> > > > >> Thanks > > > >> > > > >> Carlos > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 2017-11-11 11:35 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <[email protected]>: > > > >> > > > >> > Hi Alex, > > > >> > > > > >> > as in lots of things in life I think we should get to some point > in > > > the > > > >> > middle. I think it would be bad if we try to make lots of > components > > > in > > > >> few > > > >> > time, since as you said, we don't know what things people will > need > > > >> > nowadays. I like your point about "we don't need to mimic Flex > 4.x", > > > for > > > >> > example, a cool Date component should work seamlessly in mobile > and > > > >> > desktop, so better to create a royale one than try to get Flex 4 > > > >> > DateChooser and DateSpinner, since we have in flex both due to the > > way > > > >> Flex > > > >> > was evolving through the years. They worked great for the web and > > > >> desktop, > > > >> > but suddenly a new mobile world emerge and they must respect the > old > > > >> way to > > > >> > do things. > > > >> > > > > >> > In the other hand, I think it would be very bad for us to left > > things > > > >> > completely to users demand. We know right now that some components > > are > > > >> > needed and we can propose others as well. > > > >> > > > > >> > I think I'll better create a new thread since I think this one was > > > more > > > >> > about releases and nightly builds so we can stay on focus > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > 2017-11-11 8:04 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <[email protected]>: > > > >> > > > > >> >> Well, I would love to be wrong about "few years", but I know I > > > wouldn't > > > >> >> bet any money on knowing what components and features our users > who > > > are > > > >> >> migrating from Flex are going to need. And I would hope we don't > > > have > > > >> to > > > >> >> say to any users "well, we don't have that component/feature so > too > > > >> bad", > > > >> >> unless it is a really extensive and expensive component that we > > don't > > > >> have > > > >> >> the committer-power to reproduce. Maybe we do have the ability > to > > > >> gather > > > >> >> that list of components/features up front, but I am expecting > that > > we > > > >> are > > > >> >> going to have to be demand-driven. Whoever signs up to migrate > to > > > >> Royale > > > >> >> will have my priority just like Harbs and Yishay did. I did not > > ask > > > >> them > > > >> >> to commit up front to what they needed, they started migrating > and > > > >> asked > > > >> >> for stuff and we made it happen. I expect it to be like that for > > at > > > >> least > > > >> >> a few years, and we need to be able to make releases quickly in > > order > > > >> to > > > >> >> respond to those users. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I'm hopeful that as we gain users, we will also have more > automated > > > >> tests > > > >> >> and that's how we are going to try to prevent breaking people's > > apps, > > > >> but > > > >> >> I think we will be spending at least a few years bringing new > > > >> components > > > >> >> and features to Royale and need to get that stuff out to users as > > > >> quickly > > > >> >> as possible. If you think about the number of person-hours > > invested > > > in > > > >> >> the writing and testing and documenting of Apache Flex and its > > third > > > >> party > > > >> >> components, and compare that to the time Peter and I have spent > on > > > >> Royale > > > >> >> (subtract out what we've spent on Flex and non-FlexJS work) plus > > > Harbs > > > >> and > > > >> >> Yishay (subtract out the time they spent on their actual app) and > > > >> others > > > >> >> like Om, Erik, Carlos and Piotr, it looks to me that there is > still > > > >> plenty > > > >> >> of work to be done, and the only way to decide what order to do > > > things > > > >> is > > > >> >> to do what users ask us for. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I know you want a clear list of controls/components for a theme, > > but > > > I > > > >> >> don't know how we will decide other than, say, taking the ones > > > actually > > > >> >> used by Harbs and adding any other component wanted by the next > > folks > > > >> that > > > >> >> sign up for migration. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> My philosophy is to not set expectations too high (that Royale > will > > > be > > > >> >> like Flex 4.x) and failing to meet those expectations. If we > make > > a > > > >> lot > > > >> >> of noise soon, what kinds of people will that bring, and what > will > > > make > > > >> >> them stay? If we can attract more pioneers like our current > > > committers > > > >> >> who are willing to help blaze the trail, great, let's go get > them. > > > If > > > >> it > > > >> >> is going to bring in folks who are expecting Royale to be like > > Flex, > > > >> I'm > > > >> >> not sure we are there yet. I think this latter group is going to > > > want > > > >> to > > > >> >> know about success stories from other people, so IMO, the most > > > >> important > > > >> >> thing is that we need to make a few more users successful in > their > > > >> >> migration. But those next users are going to have to be willing > to > > > >> put up > > > >> >> with bugs and missing features, so we need to set their > > expectations > > > >> >> appropriately. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> My 2 cents, > > > >> >> -Alex > > > >> >> > > > >> >> On 11/10/17, 11:47 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of > > Carlos > > > >> >> Rovira" <[email protected] on behalf of > > > [email protected]> > > > >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Hi, > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >I agree with this, but want to expose some thoughts that I > > consider > > > >> >> >important: > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >I think we must to cut a release as we get in the same similar > > > stable > > > >> >> >state > > > >> >> >as we had in FlexJS (0.8.0), and call it 0.8.0, since this is > > only a > > > >> >> >transition release to get in our new house, but we still have > some > > > >> >> missing > > > >> >> >key pieces to get 0.9.0 and 1.0 > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >I suppose a Alex talks about "some years" but I don't think so. > If > > > we > > > >> do > > > >> >> >0.9 and 1.0 in the right way, I expect to make huge noise on the > > > >> internet > > > >> >> >talking about Apache Royale and making lots of people put an eye > > on > > > >> us. > > > >> >> >This must be at proper time to get people reaching to us not > leave > > > >> easily > > > >> >> >and take us seriously as a real alternative. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >How many time to get this? I hope more soon than later. Maybe 1T > > > 2018? > > > >> >> 2T? > > > >> >> >People coming at that time will start to use Royale and we will > > need > > > >> some > > > >> >> >coherence all around. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >That's crucial and that will make us not easy to make certain > > > changes > > > >> >> that > > > >> >> >could make user developments not valid. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >So, for example, We still does not have a clear list of starter > UI > > > >> >> >components and controls. I think we will need to discuss that > and > > > work > > > >> >> for > > > >> >> >it so people could rely on some quality components (I think I > will > > > >> create > > > >> >> >a > > > >> >> >thread about this concrete part since I think is crucial for > us). > > We > > > >> will > > > >> >> >need to have certain parts of Royale very robust and defined so > > > people > > > >> >> >could come and expect and easy relation with that parts and > avoid > > to > > > >> left > > > >> >> >because they think we "many things" but as well "many of that > > things > > > >> are > > > >> >> >not finished" in a quality level similar to the quality level > > > reached > > > >> on > > > >> >> >apache flex. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >So, going back. We need to cut a release as soon as we can to > get > > a > > > >> valid > > > >> >> >starter point, we need to release the new website with quality > > > content > > > >> >> and > > > >> >> >what we could have soon (if we have royale on NPM, that's good!, > > and > > > >> so > > > >> >> >on....), we can put a download page with releases and talk about > > > ways > > > >> for > > > >> >> >people to get nightly builds, but we must think in the people > that > > > >> will > > > >> >> >come to us and what they expect to see; > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >For me: something clear, as easy as possible info in website, an > > sdk > > > >> with > > > >> >> >proven valid ways to make apps and a concrete set of UI controls > > and > > > >> >> >components that works really well to start building the same day > > > they > > > >> >> know > > > >> >> >about Apache Royale. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >2017-11-10 20:12 GMT+01:00 Dave Fisher <[email protected]>: > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >> Hi - > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> I agree it is intent and trust. A couple of incidents in the > > long > > > >> >> >>history > > > >> >> >> of POI. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> (1) we discovered a GPL file that had been in the source tree > > for > > > a > > > >> >> >>couple > > > >> >> >> of releases and removed it. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> (2) we had a complaint from the copyright holder that a test > > file > > > >> >> >>belonged > > > >> >> >> to him. It had been there for many years. We removed it from > the > > > >> next > > > >> >> >> release. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Anyone concerned with nit picking this should be watching > every > > > >> commit. > > > >> >> >>In > > > >> >> >> the Incubator a mentor will bring it up then and most often > say > > > next > > > >> >> >>time. > > > >> >> >> Here in a project we deal as they come and it should be on the > > > >> commit. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> If someone brings in a significant amount of code then a SGA > may > > > be > > > >> >> >>needed > > > >> >> >> along with IP Clearance in the Incubator. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Regards, > > > >> >> >> Dave > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > On Nov 10, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Alex Harui > > > <[email protected] > > > >> > > > > >> >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > Hi Dave, > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > It would help to make license problems rare if we also do > > > >> something > > > >> >> >>else > > > >> >> >> > Roy has mentioned recently that has to do with trust and > > intent. > > > >> If > > > >> >> >>you > > > >> >> >> > dig hard enough, or take an "untrusting" philosophy that if > > > >> something > > > >> >> >> > isn't perfectly documented that someone is going to use that > > > >> >> >>imperfection > > > >> >> >> > against you or the foundation, you can continue to find > small > > > >> >> >>licensing > > > >> >> >> > issues, especially in the third party artifacts we consume. > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > Roy basically said that folks want us to use the stuff the > > make > > > >> >> >>available > > > >> >> >> > on open source sites otherwise they wouldn't have put it > > there. > > > >> They > > > >> >> >> > might have slightly different rules about sharing it and > > > >> >> >>modifications to > > > >> >> >> > it, but the intent is to share it. > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > So let me add to "better and not illegal" with "trust". > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > Thanks, > > > >> >> >> > -Alex > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> On 11/10/17, 10:47 AM, "Dave Fisher" < > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> Hi - > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> For source code we can point to github from the website. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> For nightly builds we can let people know about it on dev@ > > but > > > >> >> should > > > >> >> >> not > > > >> >> >> >> link to it from the website. We can explain on the website > or > > > >> wiki > > > >> >> >>that > > > >> >> >> >> we are doing nightly builds and that they can find out from > > the > > > >> dev@ > > > >> >> >> list. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> At this point it should be rare to have a license problem > in > > > the > > > >> >> >> >> repository because we all should know the rules or how to > ask > > > on > > > >> >> dev@ > > > >> >> >> or > > > >> >> >> >> private@ first. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> Clear? > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> Regards, > > > >> >> >> >> Dave > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Alex Harui > > > >> <[email protected] > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >> >>> Forking this specific issue about nightly builds... > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >> >>> AIUI, this issue about nightly builds has arisen before > with > > > >> other > > > >> >> >> >>> projects. I'd have to go through board@/member@ archives > > > but I > > > >> >> >>think > > > >> >> >> >>> some > > > >> >> >> >>> projects have found some pretty clever solutions to > linking > > to > > > >> >> >>nightly > > > >> >> >> >>> builds. > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >> >>> That said, one of the benefits of creating a Royale > project > > > >> >> separate > > > >> >> >> >>> from > > > >> >> >> >>> Flex is that there should not be any 'competition' in the > > > >> release > > > >> >> >> queue. > > > >> >> >> >>> For example, the Flex project is currently trying to get > two > > > >> >> >>releases > > > >> >> >> >>> out, > > > >> >> >> >>> and if some other Flex member wanted to rush out a BlazeDS > > > >> release, > > > >> >> >> >>> they'd > > > >> >> >> >>> probably have to wait. > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >> >>> Royale has 3 main repos, and under FlexJS/Falcon, we > > created 2 > > > >> sets > > > >> >> >>of > > > >> >> >> >>> release artifacts. 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