I figured I’d wait a couple of weeks. Like I said: I don’t think it should hold up a release if we don’t get an answer immediately.
> On Mar 6, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Alex Harui <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is March 6. How many days should we wait? Especially given that the > current VP Legal as resigned and no replacement has been announced yet? > > Thoughts? > -Alex > > On 3/6/18, 1:03 AM, "Harbs" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The path data appears to be from the CC-BY derivative and not the public >> domain original. >> >> I do think we need to either get clarification of replace the path data >> (and possibly SVG file). I’m happy doing it myself. >> >> I have opened a JIRA for an official ruling on the topic. It feels like >> it’s easier to just replace the data than get the ruling, but I think >> this is something which *should* have a ruling. If it’s OK to reuse SVG >> data in Cat B images, folks shouldn’t have to jump through hoops just >> because there’s nothing clear on the topic. >> >> I do think it’s a relatively minor issue and should be classified as a >> bug. It’s not something that should hold up a release if it can’t be >> resolved before the next release. I just created an issue on the topic. >> >> Thanks, >> Harbs >> >>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:56 AM, Alex Harui <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Om, >>> >>> Comments inline. >>> >>> >>> On 3/5/18, 3:09 PM, "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> on >>> behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala" >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Alex Harui <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Om, >>>>> >>>>> I am not able to follow your logic. I think I've read your full email >>>>> and >>>>> have looked at the links. It appears you are trying to say that the >>>>> data >>>>> points we are using came from [1], but to me, [1] seems clearly under >>>>> GNU >>>>> Document and CC-BY-SA. The act of removing the state names from the >>>>> data >>>>> in [2] made it a derivative work, and it appears that the author of >>>>> [1] >>>>> says that work is not under Public Domain. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The SVG asset itself is licensed as such. We are not using the svg >>>> asset >>>> anywhere. We are only using the map data which came from some other >>>> source. >>>> >>>> Map data is not copyrightable. >>>> >>>> Please read the section under "The map wasn’t eligible for copyright in >>>> the >>>> first place" here: >>>> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.publ >>>> ic >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pub >>>> lic> >>>> domainsherpa.com >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdomains >>>> herpa.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Caa8f41c3bb32452833fb08d >>>> 583411c9b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63655923802978555 >>>> 6&sdata=Zu9S5xPRzulIqUlZ%2FgPEGVs0yjZNiNcPuMvB%2FfirN8E%3D&reserved=0>%2 >>>> Fpublic-domain-maps.html&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.c >>>> >>>> om%7Cdb3e0b405fdc43cf995108d582ee4e3b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1 >>>> %7 >>>> >>>> C0%7C0%7C636558882380334796&sdata=lhmEgOxJKLHmRSz5JAwCLCuAI0Iqy3cn7QQu%2 >>>> FI >>>> aaOfQ%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> " If the components of the map are “entirely obvious” the map will not >>>> be >>>> copyrightable. For example, an outline map of the state of Texas, or >>>> one >>>> of >>>> the US showing the state boundaries is *not* copyrightable. (Not >>>> creative.) >>>> Ditto maps that use standard cartographic conventions, like a survey >>>> map. >>>> (Not original.) " >>>> >>> Right after the passage you quote, it says this: >>> >>> "This is could be a tough call in certain cases >>> (I mean, come on ... “entirely obvious”?) but >>> that's the what the courts have said. Just keep >>> in mind ... what you think is entirely obvious, >>> the mapmaker might contest as creative." >>> >>> Let's see what other PMC members think. To me, the quote I pasted >>> indicates that this is still a controversial area. The definition of >>> "map >>> data", AIUI, has to be tied to facts. So, GIS coordinates, or any other >>> lat/lng fact that is used to create a map is not copyrightable, and any >>> map image produced by the US Government is in the public domain. But I >>> believe there is a gray area around the digitizing of maps. The number >>> of >>> points chosen which create the level of detail of a map could be argued >>> to >>> be a form of expression as well as the line-weights chosen for the >>> lines. >>> >>> Also, the provenance/history of how the SVG file you chose became public >>> domain is murky. I was unable to determine where the data points came >>> from. >>> >>> To me, that's one reason why folks on wikimedia are claiming copyright >>> and >>> different licensing on their maps that are essentially digitized from >>> public domain US Government maps. The fact that the data points for the >>> states are different in different SVG files also leads me to believe the >>> data points are not facts. I think the safest and least controversial >>> option is for us to use a map that is in the public domain already. >>> This >>> map [1] seems to have a much simpler public domain provenance. Then I >>> think there is less surface for nitpickers to attack. >>> >>> If other PMC members want to go with the current data you have in the >>> files then I'll defer to them (and you). >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Alex >>> >>> [1] >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons. >>> wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3ABlank_US_map_borders.svg&data=02%7C01%7Caha >>> rui%40adobe.com%7Caa8f41c3bb32452833fb08d583411c9b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794ae >>> d2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636559238029785556&sdata=uquU6h9UaHwKQRsd4V6%2BHPu >>> MK6cvP8U5Vw7O5WRxCHI%3D&reserved=0 >>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons >>> .wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3ABlank_US_map_borders.svg&data=02%7C01%7Cah >>> arui%40adobe.com%7Caa8f41c3bb32452833fb08d583411c9b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794a >>> ed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636559238029785556&sdata=uquU6h9UaHwKQRsd4V6%2BHP >>> uMK6cvP8U5Vw7O5WRxCHI%3D&reserved=0> >
