What is "SOF"? On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 4:03 AM Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi All > > I'm -1 to use any other tool than mailing list with this project. It > increases only traffic for everyone. Another tool which needs to be > maintained and we definitely have much more bigger fish to fry. > > We have SOF already as an addition to mailing list and in my opinion it's > really enough. > > Thanks, > Piotr > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2019, 8:38 AM Carlos Rovira <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Andrew,, > > > > I'm happy with mailing list but the only point is when people outside the > > Apache eco-system want to interact with us. They use to post on social > > media networks, or direct emails and so on, and then we need to derive > > here, what could be something they want or not. > > > > It would be great to use some tool that will be more easily accessible by > > all people or that most of new comers would have directly. But don't know > > what could be. > > > > Real time chats does not seems to me something to drive discussion for > the > > same reason Alex mentioned. We are all in different time zones and some > > times responses delay 10-12 hours. > > > > Regarding Slack tool in concrete, my main concern is that my experience > is > > really bad with it since most of the times I don't get push notifications > > on my iPhone. While other tools like Telegram works always, Slack don't, > > and that means sometimes I don't notice a conversation for days. With > that > > in mind is a surprise for me that Slack get so popular, or maybe I have > > something wrong with it in my devices... > > > > Anyway, If we want to use Slack, I think it's ok since as many channels > we > > have the better. Just warn people that maybe not all of us will be there. > > Or not always available. And key discussions should come to the list. > > Helping there could be in some cases more easy to do. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El vie., 6 dic. 2019 a las 21:23, Alex Harui (<[email protected] > >) > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/19, 12:00 PM, "Andrew Wetmore" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I recently had some dealings with ASF staff on the ASF Slack > > workspace > > > ( > > > the-asf.slack.com). Some projects seem to maintain channels there > > for > > > coordinating work, but not Royale. Would we gain anything by > creating > > > and > > > using such a channel as opposed to running all discussions through > > > email > > > threads? Or would this just add one more thing to worry about? > > > > > > I've seen lots of concern about Slack on the board list. One key > > > principle of Apache projects is that committers should be able to > follow > > > the project by only being subscribed to dev@. You shouldn't have to > be > > > subscribed elsewhere, not even users@ and especially private@. Some > > > projects have gotten in trouble for using Slack and other IRC too much. > > It > > > isn't that every discussion has to be on dev@, really, only refined > > > proposals leading to decisions need to be on dev@, but then those who > > > aren't involved in the early discussions feel left out, or the early > > > discussion gets voided by input from those not on the channel or not on > > > during the interactive discussion. > > > > > > That said, the ASF is probably going to be forced to reconsider that > rule > > > as chat-based development discussions are the norm in some countries > like > > > China. > > > > > > I'm not opposed to a Slack channel for Royale, but I will try to not > use > > > it mainly to make sure there is enough traffic on dev@. Also, the > vast > > > majority of active committers are not in the US where I am, so I won't > be > > > around to interact most often. But if it helps you and others roughly > in > > > your time zone get work done, go for it. > > > > > > -Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos Rovira > > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > -- Andrew Wetmore http://cottage14.blogspot.com/
