On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:59 AM Alex Harui <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm trying to avoid having Carlos and Chris spend a lot of time tossing > out something that worked and replacing it with something that didn't work > in the past. How often is that a good decision? Alex, we have been through this before. I don't think you will be able to convince them otherwise. Maybe they can make things better this time. It is just software - why do you think it is impossible to fix something that dint work in the past? > What makes it hard is that there is a chance it will work for them, and > then it won't work for others. That is the lesson we learned the hard way. So we won't know how good it > is until someone else tries it and runs into the same issues we had before. Let's give it a shot and see if others can run it. > Note that the two people who have actually cut a release want to just get > the current process to work again. Everyone else is just talking from > theory, not reality. > There are a lot of Apache projects and companies who use Maven every day. That is not theory. > > And it will all be moot if we don't get the current process fixed and a > release out ASAP. > No one is stopping you are anyone else from releasing. Chris is already working on a fix for what was broken. > > I only found build instructions at the wiki link that Carlos provided, not > release instructions. It made me look at the royale-compiler pom and it > appears that the compiler-build-tools and compiler-jburg-types project > builds have been removed. So I am not clear on how to build those two > artifacts with Maven should we need to change them in the future. This is > not raising my level of confidence in their plans at all. It is not fair > to toss out important things and then claim things are simpler. > -Alex > > On 3/18/20, 10:25 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Agreed. Just do it! You shouldn't need consensus here. If it's as much > better as you claim it will be, I don't see anyone refusing to switch > to > the new process. However, if you insist on consensus, let this be my > +1. > > However, someone else may want to try doing a release with the old > process > in the meantime. With that in mind, before you get started on the new > process, you should ensure that the old one is not still broken from > the > recent Maven build changes. (It sounds like Chris is already trying to > fix > this, so great!) > > -- > Josh Tynjala > Bowler Hat LLC < > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbowlerhat.dev&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Caaac0c3693294c72c62608d7cb614ad0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637201491043736972&sdata=p3GFZuKOAdosdIUUK6YQ7pyrQLAGCrdulrcyfAHUq%2FE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:50 AM OmPrakash Muppirala < > [email protected]> > wrote: > > > Carlos, Chris, > > > > There is nothing stopping you from building something from scratch. > There > > is no need to convince anyone. Please start committing. > > > > I think Alex and others have made their points clearly. I don't see > a > > reason to continue rehashing the same points over and over. > > > > As long as the current Ant based build/release is not broken, > everyone > > should be happy, or at least learn to live with it. > > > > That said, how can I help with your effort 😊? > > > > Thanks, > > Om > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 9:38 AM Carlos Rovira <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > El mié., 18 mar. 2020 a las 17:12, Alex Harui > (<[email protected] > > >) > > > escribió: > > > > > > > The proposal I'm seeing takes us back a few years to when others > > > couldn’t > > > > create a release. > > > > > > > > > As I posted in the other thread just a few minutes ago, it's not > about to > > > go back and coninue. Our propose is to create something new from > scratch, > > > so all that old problems should just gone. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Caaac0c3693294c72c62608d7cb614ad0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637201491043736972&sdata=N6loQSFF1p1N3AS0%2FDoObELUjgRCMV9I0ylQyuYL4Y8%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > >
