Can we give submodules a try for few weeks and then take an informed
decision?

On Sat, 1 May, 2021, 12:32 am Ishan Chattopadhyaya, <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I fully support git submodules. +1 dawid.
> Most of the problems with it that people complain about, are perceived
> problems, not real ones.
>
> On Fri, 30 Apr, 2021, 10:50 pm Dawid Weiss, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> We've had that discussion before -- this is where git submodules are
>> excellent to work with - you know exactly which version you had for
>> each commit... this said, there are other pitfalls to using submodules
>> so it's not all rosy either.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 4:41 PM Mike Drob <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Note that this happened again last night, and Jason was able to
>> > quickly fix it. But it makes things like 'git bisect' impossible to
>> > chase a bug because none of the older versions will compile.
>> >
>> > I don't think we can pin to a SNAPSHOT version because there are no
>> > guarantees about how long those versions stick around. Maybe we can
>> > ask Lucene to release a 9.0.0-alpha just so that we have some kind of
>> > tag that we can stick to, with the understanding that this alpha tag
>> > has no guarantees about future compatibility.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 2:36 AM Dawid Weiss <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > But how do you pin to an intermediate version without a snapshot maven
>> > > repository that would keep those pinned artifacts?
>> > >
>> > > Dawid
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 9:45 PM David Smiley <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > +1 Jan, that sounds complementary to what I propose.  We'd get
>> notifications via Jenkins that there are some compatibility issues.  But
>> we'd still pin a version and upgrade at a time of our choosing.
>> > > >
>> > > > ~ David Smiley
>> > > > Apache Lucene/Solr Search Developer
>> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:35 AM Jan Høydahl <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> It could be feasible to let Jenkins do a periodic run (weekly?) of
>> main branch with lucene SNAPSHOT. We can perhaps define a gradle property
>> to override lucene version? -Dlucene.version=10.0.0-SNAPSHOT which Jenkins
>> could easily trigger. I think a similar thought has been discussed before.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Jan
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 29. apr. 2021 kl. 17:20 skrev Gus Heck <[email protected]>:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> We should still have some way of detecting these breakages early
>> rather than later (or worse yet after lucene has released something). The
>> easiest time to fix a problem is before someone else built on top of it.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:15 AM Jason Gerlowski <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> +1
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:12 AM Jan Høydahl
>> > > >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > >>> >
>> > > >>> > +1 to pin. There will probably be a few more months until 9.0
>> given that 8.9 must be released first etc.
>> > > >>> >
>> > > >>> > Jan
>> > > >>> >
>> > > >>> > 29. apr. 2021 kl. 17:08 skrev David Smiley <[email protected]
>> >:
>> > > >>> >
>> > > >>> > There have been some discussions previously about whether to
>> pin the Lucene snapshot version until 9.0 is out, so that we update it
>> manually instead of it being ~daily.  Most recently in Slack but also this
>> thread "Solr fails with current lucene-9.0.0-SNAPSHOT (LUCENE-9387)".  I
>> think the rate of spontaneous breaking has increased beyond my comfort
>> level from being ambivalent on the matter to preferring more control of
>> when we update.  I know that may be as late as possible :-) but it
>> minimizes surprises/disruptions.  If there are no vetos on the matter in
>> this thread, I'll throw up a PR.
>> > > >>> >
>> > > >>> > ~ David Smiley
>> > > >>> > Apache Lucene/Solr Search Developer
>> > > >>> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley
>> > > >>> >
>> > > >>> >
>> > > >>>
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