The worry I have is that this (and previous cloud-first) move pushes Solr - even further - into Innovator's Dilemma situation. It is a complicated and nuanced worry, so I would understand if nobody else shares it. But I felt it was still worth mentioning.
The core issue is that even though Solr is a great fit for smaller projects with a standalone mode, we are increasingly making it more and more complicated to understand/discover. The tutorials switching to cloud mode was one of those "straws". This proposes to be another. Which means the people will just assume Solr is for gigantic projects and avoid it all together, shrinking our total ecosystem even further. I see that already in public discussions, whenever Solr is mentioned. Regards, Alex. P.s. I also feel that Schrodinger's "Reference branch" is also a factor in this discussion, but that is an even messier point to try putting in words in a balanced way. P.p.s. Also, when we say "docker container could run in cloud mode", do we still mean a single-node with built-in Zookeeper (sharing Jan's worry with that) or something that actually rolls-out 2x+1 Zookeeper nodes, 2+ Solr nodes, etc as a "first glimpse" setup? On Fri, 21 May 2021 at 20:00, Jan Høydahl <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'd be all for it. > > Possible side effect is that people perhaps get an impression that the > built-in Zookeeper is production ready. > Another side effect is that users that on purpose run Solr standalone will > now need to run with -l flag to avoid starting in coud mode by default. But > that's their fault if they don't read the upgrade notes of course... > > Jan > > 21. mai 2021 kl. 17:28 skrev Houston Putman <[email protected]>: > > Hey everyone, > > Currently when running bin/solr, and therefore when using the Solr Docker > image, if you start solr without specifying any options, it will start in > Standalone mode. However, many of the tutorials and examples we give are for > Solr Cloud. And there are useful features for new users that are not > supported in standalone mode, including the new schema-designer UI. I think > it would be good for new users to the project to use the generally > recommended running mode (cloud) by default. > > Clearly this won't be done in 8.x. I think it would be ok to make the switch > in Solr 9, but maybe it's something we aim for Solr 10 instead. In the > meantime we should probably include a backwards-compatible standalone flag > (-l/-standalone) that will start to be used once the default mode is switched. > > There has been some discussion about deprecating standalone Solr, I want to > emphasize this is not at all part of the discussion of this thread. > > - Houston > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
