As a contributor, I¹ve never felt shut out from the Spark community, nor have I seen any examples of territorial behavior. A few times I¹ve expressed interest in more challenging work and the response I received was generally ³go ahead and give it a shot, just understand that this is sensitive code so we may end up modifying the PR substantially.² Honestly, that seems fine, and in general, I think it¹s completely fair to go with the PR model - e.g. If a JIRA has an open PR then it¹s an active effort, otherwise it¹s fair game unless otherwise stated. At the end of the day, it¹s about moving the project forward and the only way to do that is to have actual code in the pipes -speculation and intent don¹t really help, and there¹s nothing preventing an interested party from submitting a PR against an issue.
Thank you, Ilya Ganelin On 4/22/15, 1:25 PM, "Mark Hamstra" <m...@clearstorydata.com> wrote: >Agreed. The Spark project and community that Vinod describes do not >resemble the ones with which I am familiar. > >On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Wendell <pwend...@gmail.com> >wrote: > >> Hi Vinod, >> >> Thanks for you thoughts - However, I do not agree with your sentiment >> and implications. Spark is broadly quite an inclusive project and we >> spend a lot of effort culturally to help make newcomers feel welcome. >> >> - Patrick >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli >> <vino...@hortonworks.com> wrote: >> > Actually what this community got away with is pretty much an >> anti-pattern compared to every other Apache project I have seen. And >>may I >> say in a not so Apache way. >> > >> > Waiting for a committer to assign a patch to someone leaves it as a >> privilege to a committer. Not alluding to anything fishy in practice, >>but >> this also leaves a lot of open ground for self-interest. Committers >> defining notions of good fit / level of experience do not work, highly >> subjective and lead to group control. >> > >> > In terms of semantics, here is what most other projects (dare I say >> every Apache project?) that I have seen do >> > - A new contributor comes in who is not yet added to the JIRA >>project. >> He/she requests one of the project's JIRA admins to add him/her. >> > - After that, he or she is free to assign tickets to themselves. >> > - What this means >> > -- Assigning a ticket to oneself is a signal to the rest of the >> community that he/she is actively working on the said patch. >> > -- If multiple contributors want to work on the same patch, it >>needs >> to resolved amicably through open communication. On JIRA, or on mailing >> lists. Not by the whim of a committer. >> > - Common issues >> > -- Land grabbing: Other contributors can nudge him/her in case of >> inactivity and take them over. Again, amicably instead of a committer >> making subjective decisions. >> > -- Progress stalling: One contributor assigns the ticket to >> himself/herself is actively debating but with no real code/docs >> contribution or with any real intention of making progress. Here >>workable, >> reviewable code for review usually wins. >> > >> > Assigning patches is not a privilege. Contributors at Apache are a >>bunch >> of volunteers, the PMC should let volunteers contribute as they see >>fit. We >> do not assign work at Apache. >> > >> > +Vinod >> > >> > On Apr 22, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Patrick Wendell <pwend...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> One over arching issue is that it's pretty unclear what "Assigned to >> >> X" in JIAR means from a process perspective. Personally I actually >> >> feel it's better for this to be more historical - i.e. who ended up >> >> submitting a patch for this feature that was merged - rather than >> >> creating an exclusive reservation for a particular user to work on >> >> something. >> >> >> >> If an issue is "assigned" to person X, but some other person Y >>submits >> >> a great patch for it, I think we have some obligation to Spark users >> >> and to the community to merge the better patch. So the idea of >> >> reserving the right to add a feature, it just seems overall off to >>me. >> >> IMO, its fine if multiple people want to submit competing patches for >> >> something, provided everyone comments on JIRA saying they are >> >> intending to submit a patch, and everyone understands there is >> >> duplicate effort. So commenting with an intention to submit a patch, >> >> IMO seems like the healthiest workflow since it is non exclusive. >> >> >> >> To me the main benefit of "assigning" something ahead of time is if >> >> you have a committer that really wants to see someone specific work >>on >> >> a patch, it just acts as a strong signal that there is someone >> >> endorsed to work on that patch. That doesn't mean no one else can >> >> submit a patch, but it is IMO more of a warning that there may be >> >> existing work which is likely to be high quality, to avoid duplicated >> >> effort. >> >> >> >> When it was really easy to assign features to themselves, I saw a lot >> >> of anti-patterns in the community that seemed unhealthy, >>specifically: >> >> >> >> - It was really unclear what it means semantically if someone is >> >> assigned to a JIRA. >> >> - People assign JIRA's to themselves that aren't a good fit, given >>the >> >> authors level of experience. >> >> - People expect if they assign JIRA's to themselves that others won't >> >> submit patches, and become upset if they do. >> >> - People are discouraged from working on a patch because someone else >> >> was officially assigned. >> >> >> >> - Patrick >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Sean Owen <so...@cloudera.com> >>wrote: >> >>> Anecdotally, there are a number of people asking to set the Assignee >> >>> field. This is currently restricted to Committers in JIRA. I know >>the >> >>> logic was to prevent people from Assigning a JIRA and then leaving >>it; >> >>> it also matters a bit for questions of "credit". >> >>> >> >>> Still I wonder if it's best to just let people go ahead and set it, >>as >> >>> the lesser "evil". 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