Jungtaek, Thanks for taking up the role to shepard this SPIP! Thank you for also chiming in on your thoughts concerning the continuous mode!
Best, Jerry On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 5:57 PM Jungtaek Lim <kabhwan.opensou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just FYI, I'm shepherding this SPIP project. > > I think the major meta question would be, "why don't we spend effort on > continuous mode rather than initiating another feature aiming for the > same workload?". Jerry already updated the doc to answer the question, but > I can also share my thoughts about it. > > I feel like the current "continuous mode" is a niche solution. (It's not > to blame. If you have to deal with such workload but can't rewrite the > underlying engine from scratch, then there are really few options.) > Since the implementation went with a workaround to implement which the > architecture does not support natively e.g. distributed snapshot, it gets > quite tricky on maintaining and expanding the project. It also requires 3rd > parties to implement a separate source and sink implementation, which I'm > not sure how many 3rd parties actually followed so far. > > Eventually, "continuous mode" becomes an area no one in the active > community knows the details and has willingness to maintain. I wouldn't say > we are confident to remove the tag on "experimental", although the feature > has been shipped for years. It was introduced in Spark 2.3, surprising > enough? > > We went back and thought about the approach from scratch. Jerry came up > with the idea which leverages existing microbatch execution, hence > relatively stable and no need to require 3rd parties to support another > mode. It adds complexity against microbatch execution but it's a lot less > complicated compared to the existing continuous mode. Definitely quite less > than creating a new record-to-record engine from scratch. > > That said, we want to propose and move forward with the new approach. > > ps. Eventually we could probably discuss retiring continuous mode if the > new approach gets accepted and eventually considered as a stable one after > several minor releases. That's just me. > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 5:16 AM Jerry Peng <jerry.boyang.p...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to start the discussion for a SPIP, Asynchronous Offset >> Management in Structured Streaming. The high level summary of the SPIP is >> that currently in Structured Streaming we perform a couple of offset >> management operations for progress tracking purposes synchronously on the >> critical path which can contribute significantly to processing latency. If >> we were to make these operations asynchronous and less frequent we can >> dramatically improve latency for certain types of workloads. >> >> I have put together a SPIP to implement such a mechanism. Please take a >> look! >> >> SPIP Jira: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-39591 >> >> SPIP doc: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iPiI4YoGCM0i61pBjkxcggU57gHKf2jVwD7HWMHgH-Y/edit?usp=sharing >> >> >> Best, >> >> Jerry >> >
