Windows remains perpetually backwards compatible.  Even to the point that 
windows ships with older broken versions of internal libraries so if it detects 
specific software and load up the old version as needed. 

Mac usually provides an upgrade path and will allow apps using up to date APIs 
from the previous version of the OS to run on the new version unchanged. But if 
you are using a deprecated API you have to change before the next version is 
released of you will be in trouble, and even some non-deprecated APIs can 
change at a moments notice.
The Linux kernel maintains strict compatibility with user space like windows, 
which is why docker can work, but with break kernel modules without too much 
concern.  The GNU user space, however breaks binary compatibility between 
releases all the time, but maintains source compatibility (just recompile).
Hadoop will break things between major releases but not between minor releases. 
 There is no guarantee of a rolling upgrade between major releases.  Which is 
partly why they are just starting to move towards 3.x and have multiple 
different flavors of 2.x lines alive.
And then there is guava where they just don't care.

There are pros and cons to all of these.  I thought initially that we had 
agreed on a model like Hadoop, although truthfully I don't think we ever 
formalized any of that, and that is why I started this chain.  I really see 
value, however, in the Mac model.  And since I can maintain compatibility, but 
it is a little painful to do so, I will try to do that. Right now, honestly, I 
think 2.x could be a rolling upgrade from 1.x, so I will try to maintain that.  
We may hit a feature where it just will not be possible to do that, but we 
should discuss that when it happens.

- Bobby

On Thursday, November 10, 2016, 3:06:41 AM CST, Kyle Nusbaum 
<[email protected]> wrote:On Wednesday, November 9, 2016, 7:23:09 
AM CST, Harsha Chintalapani <[email protected]> wrote:> If we want users to 
upgrade to new version, the rolling upgrade is a major
> decision factor. As a community, we need to look API updates or breaking
> changes much more diligently.
Within a major version, I agree. APIs should be as stable as possible within a 
version release.

> I agree to an extent we shouldn't limiting ourselves with rolling upgrade.
> But having announced rolling-upgrade in 0.10 and then not supporting it in
> 1.x and now in 2.x. In User's point of view, Storm is not rolling
> upgradable although we shipped a release stating that rolling upgrade is
> supported and in follow-up release we taken that off.
The user would be correct. Storm would not be rolling-upgradable *between major 
versions.*I don't see how it's possible to develop and improve a project if it 
must remain perpetually backwards compatible, so I think it's necessary to 
reject compatibility as a *primary* goal.
Eventually (hopefully) we'll arrive at an API that we're happy with that we 
don't feel like we need to change.Then we can claim rolling upgrades across 
major version numbers.

> Does these API changes are critical and worth breaking rolling upgrade?
My position is that we don't want to limit ourselves to "critical" API changes. 
This will stick us with an inferior API that we can't evolve.It's accepting the 
long-term pain of inconsistent API or old baggage to avoid the short-term pain 
of relaunching or updating topologies when you do a major version upgrade.
Storm is not at the place in its life where it has stopped evolving, and I 
don't want to stifle its development.

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