On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:01:39 -0700 (PDT), Scott Anderson wrote:
>�Instead of taking the approach of predicting what developers might
>�want from Struts and JSF in the future

You probably have little to worry about in this regard, Scott. :)

Few, if any of us, are doing this for fun or profit. We do Struts, and would do Shale, 
because we want to use the frameworks in our applications. Which, I imagine, are much 
like yours :)

Back in the Struts 0.5 days, I was busy implementing an online auction site with 
Struts, and it was up and running long before we hit Struts 1.0 final. That was the 
status quo then, I believe it is the status quo now.

I think anyone working on the development Shale is also going to be trying to apply it 
back to their own applications. For the most part, the development of Struts and Shale 
is driven by what we need to do in our own applications.

> and providing a few
>�potentially unrealistic and overly simplistic demos, how about
>�identifying a complete evolutionary or revolutionary sample web
>�application and/or web service that would be truly useful to the
>�Struts community.

If you have itch in this regard, please go for it. You'd be welcome to use the wiki to 
whiteboard the application design.

But, do keep in mind that  we are all working developers here. Most of us are already 
writing applications full-time (at least I am), and then working on the framework at 
night :)

Incidentally, the idea behind the Struts SourceForge site was to host "community" 
applications. Perhaps this will be a chance to get back to doing that again.

The application you mention at the end of your post seems ambitious, but some "Starter 
Kits" would be a very good idea. Our friends at ASP.NET offer several.

* http://asp.net/Default.aspx?tabindex=8&tabid=47

-Ted.


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