First, comparing Struts and JSF is like comparing C++ and Visual Basic. Struts is REQUEST-DRIVEN MVC and JSF (Shale) is PAGE CENTRIC RAD (rapid development with tools as in VB). Anyone that cannot see they don't go together, frankly, is not that insightful, in my opinion. The present idea that they go together is one of the more interesting marketing ploys in my recent experience. I have to admit that Craig is not only a superb coder but also a clever politician. I would have bet big money that no one could convince the Struts community to share a bedroom with JSF. I would have lost. I still am amazed.
Second, Rod Johnson only has three books out that I know of. There is a whole section on web frameworks in Ch. 13 of Expert One-on-One J2EE Development without EJB. That is where I "read it". You can read the same thing from numerous other folks in the Struts lists as well. Of course, if you don't want to see it, you won't. Third, I am amazed that people who consider themselves to be expert in this area, and who should be expert in this area given their status, people such as yourself, Matthias, even argue this point. A modicum of understanding of the two frameworks shows that they are like night and day. Indeed, Craig is constantly trumpeting that JSF is a "new deal" which should tell you that it is not what he now decries as the "old deal", Struts. He says it is a huge architectural shift. He is right. You CANNOT combine the two. You CAN mix them into what is essentially a mush, a hodge-podge. But, you cannot combine them. You have to have a switch that chooses one over the other in the mix. That is what Rod Johnson says and that is what I agree with. Fourth, I am about to leave the debate arena on this one, however. This is all too nutty for me to stick with any longer. I don't mind a good spirited debate on architecture, but I am not intersted in a political community with its head in the sand. When a VB expert is voted into the C++ expert community, that is enough for me. And, when a JSF expert is voted into the Struts community, that is enough for me. I have to admit that I am completely enamored anyway with the Spring IoC and AOP approach and believe that a one can build something akin to the Struts package there. I will, of course, remain interested in Struts even though the interest will be more one of morbid fascination with the process that is happening here. Cheers! On 8/24/05, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ah... > > were did you read it ?!? > > > Rod Johnson and many others. But, that should be a start to > > think about, Dave. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." ~Dakota Jack~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
