Sean Schofield wrote:
I don't buy the argument that IDE's are slow. I agreed with
that argument when the first java based IDE's emerged in the 90's but
we're way past that point. You can also turn off most of the
questionably helpful stuff that you are complaining about.
Then what would be the point of an IDE? :) I mean, if I have to turn
off all the neat little doodads that make it an IDE just to make it run
well enough to use, why wouldn't a native text editor suffice?
And, remember that speed is a subjective judgement, it's not an argument
you can "buy" or not :) What's slow to one person is blazing to another
(except in the extreme cases where it's obvious to all). Some people
argue that the extra tools, automatic refactoring and all that, more
than makes up for an extra second for a context menu to appear. I don't
think I disagree with that, but it's so frustrating to me to have to
wait for those little things that any efficinecy gains elsewhere aren't
worth it.
My 2 cents. You are free to use whatever you want of course. Just
thought it would be a fun Friday topic to find out what the IDE haters
are thinking. I'm pretty comfortable sticking with mine but whatever
"flips your boat."
Completely agreed. Some people get very religious about this IDE or
that text editor or whatever, and they annoy the hell out of me. I long
ago stopped trying to convince anyone that they should do things my way,
it's pointless (not because I can't convince them, just that it's
pointless to want to in the first place). If your comfortable in an
environment and can be most effective in it, it's all good. I
personally am not a fan of *nix. There I said it! I prefer Windows!
But I realize some people absolutely love it and work better in it, and
that's great and OK with me.
sean
Frank
On 12/9/05, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That's a good point Greg, and it applies for me too... I have a number
of different IDEs installed, and on occassion I will use a feature of
one or another... I've pulled stuff into IDEA and used its code
inspectors for example. I've used an Eclipse plug-in here and there
too. So it's not like I *never* touch an IDE, but for me its very
targeted usages, I can't imagine being in any of them all day.
Frank
Greg Reddin wrote:
On Dec 9, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Sean Schofield wrote:
Please keep in mind that there are still a good number of people who do
not use an IDE at all.
Why on earth would you someone do such a thing? Seriously. I'd like
to know :-)
Bragging rights, what else :-)
There are occasions when I simply use vi and ant/maven/etc. either
because I'm wanting to be closer to the bits and know what's going on
or I'm too lazy to start Netbeans or because I'm pissed off at
Netbeans. Then as soon as i have to code a JavaBean with a bunch of
gets/sets I'll fire it up. Or do some refactoring, etc.
So it just depends on my mood. When I feel trapped by the IDE I'll
move it out of the way. When I feel trapped by the command line I fire
up the IDE. Sometimes I like to go without an IDE just so I will not
forget what the IDE is really doing for me.
And sometimes it's because I'm using a new tool and either the IDE
doesn't support it yet or I'm trying to learn it first before I try to
learn how the IDE wants me to use it. Case in point: Creator and
JSF. On my first JSF app I'm doing it at the command line using
NetBeans for coding and maven to build. Then I'll probably do my next
one in Creator so I can see what kind of value it adds.
I used to think people who used multiple IDE's had a death wish, but
now I'm seeing the value in that too. For example, Creator is based on
Netbeans 4, but I like some features in Netbeand 5. So I'm starting to
use Creator in places where it makes sense to do so, Netbeans
elsewhere, and maven to compile/run/test everything. I haven't tried
Eclipse yet :-)
Greg
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