On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@wandisco.com> wrote: >> On 20.06.2013 17:27, Ivan Zhakov wrote: >>... >>> Also please believe that all my technical thoughts are fair and >>> related to technical issues only. My veto above is a technical veto. >> >> Yep, it was. And I still maintain it's invalid, or at least, too naïve. > > Invariably, it is *always* a poor choice to debate whether a veto is > valid or not. The veto exists as a unilateral lever against > introducing problems into a codebase. The community doesn't get to > debate the *validity*; it should work to find a solution instead. > > If one/more people truly feel that the veto process is being abused by > an individual, then the conversation should move to the private@ list > and discuss the removal of that person from the PMC (and, thus, their > binding vote/veto). That is the kind of bar you must meet. > > The above is the meta discussion. In short: second-guess yourself if > you ever want to debate the validity of a veto. > > Now on to the concrete situation. "Is this technical?" Sure is. Ivan > has some considerations about code duplication, about standards > conformance, etc. So, done and done: it's a technical veto. Deal. > > Second: it isn't even related to Subversion. We're talking about the > serf codebase, and (frankly) this community doesn't govern that > codebase. Further, it doesn't *have* to follow the ASF [voting] > guidelines (tho we've had some minor discussion about moving to the > ASF). > > Third: regardless of what Ivan has stated, we'll fix the NTLM issue. > (IMO) we should not require server configuration changes simply > because a client upgraded to 1.8. And from my reading of this thread, > it also seems that "fixing" the config might break 1.7/neon users. > I've implemented plain NTLM authentication in r1963. While change itself is not big, it required some refactoring/changing internal API. So it's better to release it as serf 1.3.0, not 1.2.x.
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