I don't care to continue such a nasty conversation on a public list. Josh
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:50 AM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Josh — if you are going to come onto this project, put your name on it, > then you need to do something. You promised me for 2 years that you would > work on TInkerPop4. You haven’t. You lied. I have no respect for liars. > That is my problem with you. You are ineffectual at best, two-faced at > worst. You want people to respect you with your accolades, but you don’t do > anything to earn said accolades. People who seek the respect of others are > not leaders, they are weak souls who will, when the time is right, do what > is best for them. > > Marko. > > > > > On Oct 3, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Joshua Shinavier <j...@fortytwo.net> wrote: > > > > Marko, why you are so concerned with what I am doing or not doing is > beyond > > me. Likewise, you make vague accusations against Stephen on this list, > > before calling him a "shining star"? How "nepotism", exactly? I commented > > earlier that you had "self-cancelled" because with all of this behavior, > > you seemed to be daring the rest of the world to take offense / get > annoyed > > / shut you out. I saw your edgy Twitter posts as an exercise in free > > speech, and I was against your removal from the PMC as you well know. Bad > > things were bound to happen, though; you are making an ass of yourself in > > every public forum, and obviously that does not reflect well on you. If > you > > want others to respect you and follow you, quit trying to tear others > down, > > and get back to producing. I don't understand your rage against Amazon, > but > > your ideas around the mm-ADT "economic machine" seemed good -- why not > > execute on them. > > > > Josh > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:59 AM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com > <mailto:okramma...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding > project > >> leadership. > >> > >> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5 > >> years now. So that is nothing new. > >> > >> Next, we should alert the Apache Board about the lack of contributions > by > >> recently elected PMC members. More generally, why is the project > removing > >> contributing members and replacing them with non-contributing members? I > >> bring up Josh in particular. Of his performance of late, I’ve noted a > >> single "VOTE +1” for a .toString() pull request by Stephen. Given the > >> response time to the PR, there wasn’t even sufficient time for Josh to > have > >> compiled and tested the PR. This goes counter to what Stephen was > arguing > >> to me (Marko) earlier regarding why the PMC members were elected — they > are > >> needed to test the code, not necessarily contribute > code/documentation/blog > >> posts/academic articles/etc. So… what is the truth here? What’s going on > >> with the leadership of this project? I believe this project is losing > the > >> meritocracy that Apache so holds dear for "nepotism" (not genetic > nepotism, > >> but through corporate affiliation). However, if “nepotism" is the > direction > >> Apache is going, then I think this should be made clear as it’s > fraudulent > >> to be underhanded about the reasoning behind the decisions being made > for > >> the project. Finally, this might also be the reasoning why I was removed > >> from the project given my lack of support for Amazon in the OSS > community > >> [1]. > >> > >> Thank you Stephen for your efforts on TinkerPop. You are a shining star. > >> > >> Marko. > >> > >> [1] > >> > https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine > >> < > >> > https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine > < > https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine > >> > >> [slides 1-37] > >> - Please note that these slides are no longer indexed by Google. > >> All other project slides/articles etc. are. > >> - Unfortunate that large companies would be threatened by such > >> small individuals. Is this what is happening with TinkerPop? > >> > >> > >>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter. > >>> > >>> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> ## Description: > >>> Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph > databases > >>> (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP). > >>> > >>> ## Activity: > >>> TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases > >> came a > >>> bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered > >> in > >>> 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not > >>> particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to > >>> release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor > >> enhancements > >>> as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became > >> the > >>> first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line. > >>> > >>> Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it > would > >> be > >>> likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. > It > >> is > >>> also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of > >>> maintenance. > >>> > >>> We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the > >>> Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number > of > >>> graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty. > >>> > >>> We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are > considering > >>> ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks. > >>> > >>> ## Issues: > >>> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time. > >>> > >>> ## Releases: > >>> - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021) > >>> - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021) > >>> > >>> ## PMC/Committer: > >>> - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021 > >>> - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021 > >>> > >>> ## Links > >>> [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/ > >>> [2] https://arcadedb.com/ > >
