Hi David! I apreciate your attempt to openness but I fear it doesn’t work that way. In the incubator and general PMC guideline docs you can find that a VOTE thread on new committers and pmc members must be held by the PMC on the projects private list. And for a good reason.
What would you do if someone just ships 3 pretty simple patches and demands to get invited to be committer and pmc on the dev list? What would you tell him? And what would you tell him if it were 35 patches and still clearly don’t get the core principles of your project? Would you disgrace him on the public dev list? The point is that the ASF is mainly community AND merrit based. We neither want people to get on the PMC which are (yet) too inexperienced, nor do we want let them to wait too long and then be fed up and leave the community (because it really sucks if you ship good patches which often don’t get applied). By encouraging people to ask for getting committership and pmc membership you might not get the best people, but only the loudest… And in the linke you cite you btw over-emphase the legal aspect. Even a committer must be legally aware what he does and it’s him who must stand his (wo)man if there are problems. LieGrue, strub > Am 24.04.2015 um 03:38 schrieb David Blevins <[email protected]>: > > Reviving this thread as Mark pinged me offline about this topic. Better to > talk openly, so Mark consider this your response :) > > Let's open this discussion up again. If there are committers that wish to > take on the legal work required for releases, perhaps even cut some releases > we should add. > > Before volunteering, however, please read: > > - http://tomee.apache.org/management-and-voting.html > > We've gone years with little to no traffic on the private@ list. If we > suddenly turned into a closed community, it'd be a sad thing. > > > -David > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 8:29 AM, David Blevins <[email protected]> > wrote: > Some basic information on PMCs and voting: > > - http://tomee.apache.org/management-and-voting.html > > Short answer, being on the PMC brings more work and no additional authority. > That work is primarily scanning the legal files every single release before > you vote. Scanning them means you need to fully understand what they are and > how they work, when they need updating and how to do that. You become part > of Apache's legal shield against legal trouble. Being on the PMC and not > understanding or performing all the above and still voting, significantly > weakens Apache should any legal issue arise. > > Here's also a list of all our committers: > > - http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#tomee > > Looking at our PMC list, it needs to be updated. Kevan actually resigned as > he no longer has time to do any of the work. > > We should probably add a couple more people. > > > -David > > > > > >
