You are also clearly not adding PMC members as fast as you could. 

And also note that it’s totally not about ’technically I can read’. But to 
guarantee that we do more releases. For that to happen we need more people to 
work towards that and more people to vote on the release.
PMCs are essentially a gatekeeper for releases. And we lack speed there.

If this is really open then I propose to add Romain to the PMC. He does a great 
job in TomEE and surely knows the legal impact as he is PMC in _many_ other ASF 
projects already.

LieGrue,
strub

> Am 25.04.2015 um 04:20 schrieb David Blevins <[email protected]>:
> 
> On Apr 24, 2015, at 12:24 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I apreciate your attempt to openness but I fear it doesn’t work that way.
> 
> I wouldn't call 8 years of voting in the open an "attempt" :)
> 
> The board is aware of how we operate.  As long as projects stick to the 
> "constitution", they are free to govern themselves as they see fit and make 
> their own guidelines.  The Incubator guidelines, for example, do not apply 
> outside the Incubator.
> 
> That said, our last vote for a committer was done on our private list.  I 
> noted in a board report when that happened that if the trend continued we'd 
> probably have to have to switch to voting in private and dramatically inflate 
> the PMC.
> 
> It's up to the project.  I support whatever we want to do.  If people feel 
> more comfortable voting in private then that is what we should do.
> 
> I will note, however, that private lists are not entirely private.  There are 
> currently 1312 people with access to our "private" list.  All ASF Members can 
> subscribe, read and post to the private@ list of any project.  So the one 
> time we did vote in private it was rather pointless as the person in 
> question, you :), is a member and can read the thread.
> 
> As I say, however, I support whatever we want to do.  I admit being on the 
> fence myself.  Even I wonder from time to time if we've outgrown voting in 
> public as we're bigger now, there's more attention on us, and we are clearly 
> not adding committers as fast as we could.
> 
> Community thoughts?
> 
> 
> -David
> 

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