Sorry, due to vacation last week, I couldn’t reply to your email in time.
1. The new project name is under Apache review and may be adjusted, so I
need to announce it after confirmation.
2. We'll release the new Architecture and Roadmap around April:
We hope to provide a complete one-stop streaming data service platform:
the system integrates a series of components in the form of plug-ins from
collection, aggregation, storage, and forwarding to build a complete data
reporting service; based on the platform, users only need to publish and
subscribe data and can easily build analysis and applications based on
streaming data; The TubeMQ will continue to evolve in this project.
Thanks!
Lan Liang <liangyuanpen...@163.com> 于2020年12月27日周日 上午1:17写道：
> Hi Goson,
>
> This is the first time I've seen an Apache project change its name, and
> it's ok.
>
> Absolutely you can do it well.
>
> 1) So what new names do we have?
>
> 2) Have an architecture or Roadmap?
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Lan Liang
> On 12/18/2020 20:20，Goson zhang<gosonzh...@apache.org>
> <gosonzh...@apache.org> wrote：
>
> Hi Netroby,
>
> Thank you, although I also think that Chinese reply can express my meaning
> more accurately, but I still have to follow the convention in English, just
> like changing the name to follow the apache rules to operate, because there
> must be some people paying attention to other spaces I don’t know, maybe
> not in China.
>
> I just want to say that TubeMQ itself is a module, the adjusted result is
> consistent with the current real situation of the project. That's it.
> According to the Apache rules, there should be only one chance to change
> the name. Maybe it will disappear with the name change, or it may be
> because More people learn about its existence because of the name change,
> and then use and contribute to make it more powerful, who can tell us?
>
> My love and joy for this project, can be expressed by a sentence posted on
> the intranet during the internal opened: "Tube, are you as good as you
> said, or just a "bubble", show me your code, pull it out and take a walk
> (Tube, 你真如说的那么好吗，还是只是一个“泡泡”，show me your code，拉出来遛两圈看看). And I am also very
> happy to know, it also meets other's needs in other environments, although
> there are only tens of billions and hundreds of billions of data, not our
> trillions of environments. Then, I also have a lot of ideas for TubeMQ that
> need to be implemented, but it takes time to settle.
>
> And if you think it’s awesome, just use it to see if it’s really awesome,
> thank you again for your attention to and contribution to the project.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
> Netroby <hufeng1...@gmail.com> 于2020年12月18日周五 下午6:49写道：
>
> 估计也没几个外国友人，还是让我用中文说一下吧。
>
> 你们做的这个决定，好不好。 当然是好的。
> 我支不支持，当然是支持的。
>
> 最早知道tubemq，是奔着牛逼去的。
> RocketMq， 哦妹子嘤。
>
> TubeMQ，鹅妹子嘤。
>
> 现如今，旧貌换新颜？
>
> 改名，成为一个子模块，子项目，我在想为毛你们这么庞大的规划，不开个新项目来做， 保持TubeMq消息中间件的地位和独立仓库，有毛不可以？
>
>
> 你们看看RocketMQ开了多少个项目了。 但是主项目RocketMq还是在，没有太大变化。
>
> 好的，你想要构建生态，强大的体系，没问题。 为毛不新开一个大项目？
>
> 比如叫什么Tencent-University.
>
> 你说啥？缺人手？
>
> 那就是你们的问题了。 有庞大的规划，没有足够的人手来实现，所以要先把TubeMQ改了？
>
> 我不知道有没有人真正意义上在生产环境，应用TubeMQ， 我相信直接把项目变成一个子项目，影响肯定是深远的。 不可谓不大。基本上是一个翻天覆地的变化。
>
> 以关注Apache 十几年的经验看，没有一个项目敢这么玩。
>
> 更多的是把一些没有维护的项目，放到藏经阁去。
> 然后更多的新项目涌现出来。
>
> 我能理解你们有庞大的规划和长远的远景规划。
> 这很好， 那为毛不赋予一个更有意义的项目名，单独开一个呢？
>
> 另外开一个副本，打团不是更帅？
>
> 你可以看看alibaba开了多少个副本。
>
> 当然，你说我不该跟其他项目比，你就是你，tubemq就是tubemq。
>
> 我想说的是，开源项目，不是这样玩的，开源项目，讲究一个契约精神， 就是你现在是一个消息中间件， 那就好好做你中间件。 你别半路上说不，咱们要玩个大的。
>
> 咱们去做无限连接数据层好了。
>
> 就感觉。。。我拿步枪，去射飞机？
>
> 你们是开发者，TubeMQ是你们的心血。 你们拥有最终决定权。
>
> 但是作为长期关注项目的用户，我还是表述了一下我的观点。
>
> 希望TubeMQ基业长青，越做越好，也希望你们新的庞大的生态体系，能建立起来。
>
> 但需要明白一点，万丈高楼平地起，聚沙成塔，汇水为海。 困难肯定是有的，挑战也是有的。 你们把盘子划得太大，怎么把它圆起来呢？
>
> 有多少财力，精力，人力，投入进来？
>
> 你们又如何保证，后面不会再出现这样颠覆性的变动。 任何事情，有一，便有二，有二便有三。
>
> Good luck。
>
>
> Appreciate your time.
> ----------------------------
> Netroby
>
> Goson zhang <gosonzh...@apache.org> 于2020年12月18日周五 上午11:26写道：
>
>
> Hi Netroby, hufeng1987, and all:
>
> The TubeMQ project has existed and been running for many years before it
> was open sourced. The name is even more earthy, called "tube" (pronounced
> similar to Turtle in Chinese). What I want to say is that the name is
> really important, but it is not the most important decision factor.
>
> I personally think that the key to software is to really help everyone,
>
> and
>
> to make everyone feel that in a certain aspect or in certain aspects, it
>
> is
>
> unique compared to other similar products, such as cost saving,
>
> worry-free,
>
> or higher performance. If TubeMQ really helps you in some aspects, the
>
> best
>
> way is to continue to apply and improve it, and if you have the
>
> opportunity
>
> to contribute to it, make it more powerful and more useful.
>
> At the same time, after the name change, people in need can still
>
> retrieve
>
> its existence through "TubeMQ" and find this email to know what name it
> changed to and where it is now. It will not affect the new classmates, at
> the same time, you can find more good stuff.
>
> In the end, I think a poem written by Tashiram Dodo(扎西拉姆·多多), "The
>
> Silence
>
> of Banzaguru Baima"(《班扎古鲁白玛的沉默》) can better express this state:
>
> It doesn't matter if you see me or not.
> I am standing right there with no sorrow or delight.
>
> It doesn't matter if you miss me or not.
> The feeling is right there and it isn't going anywhere.
>
> It doesn't matter if you love me or not.
> Love is right there and it isn't going to change.
>
> It doesn't matter if you are with me or not.
> My hand is in your hand and I won't let go.
>
> Come to my arms.
> Or let me live in your heart.
>
> Silence Love.
> Calmness Joy.
>
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Netroby <hufeng1...@gmail.com> 于2020年12月18日周五 上午10:28写道：
>
> And did you regret letting tubemq be born?
>
> Is it just too small a part of your ecosystem? oh, I am sorry to hear
>
> it.
>
>
> Anyway, if you really want to do it, Just do it.
> But how can you know your strength? Would you change your mind next
>
> time?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Appreciate your time.
> ----------------------------
> Netroby
>
> Netroby <hufeng1...@gmail.com> 于2020年12月18日周五 上午10:24写道：
>
>
> I guess they （core developers）lost their mission (or lost mind).
>
> You can just made tubemq as a sub module of a huge project.
>
> It's not the business .
>
> Kafka is another mq.
>
> It's also an apache project. did you see they say. let's make a big
> project, make kafka as a sub project?
>
>
>
> Appreciate your time.
> ----------------------------
> Netroby
>
> 赵磊 <zhaolei-b...@163.com> 于2020年12月18日周五 上午10:04写道：
>
>
>
>
>
> It was really such a big surprise. In recent months, i had made
>
> lots
>
> of testing on tubemq and decide to use it in my solution.
>
>
> but if the project's goals and name changed ,can i use tubemq
>
> independently? if so,will it take lots of workload?
>
>
> if the change is imperative when can we see the new architecture?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 2020-12-17 20:17:58, "人间不值得" <hufeng1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It’s wired, if you want push another area, just named a new
>
> project,
>
> do you know hdfs and Hadoop?
>
>
> Force change project name and project main goals very wired.
> Let tubemq do one job please. It’s good and enough.
>
> 发自我的iPad
>
> 在 2020年12月14日，下午7:08，Goson zhang <gosonzh...@apache.org> 写道：
>
> Hi, Dev
>
> I'd like to raise a discussion about adjusting the project
>
> goals and
>
> project name
>
> As the initiator of the project, after TubeMQ joined the Apache
>
> community,
>
> we have been improving the features and functions in accordance
>
> with the
>
> needs of the project, also, we have been promoting the
>
> evolution of
>
> the
>
> project in the direction of "one-stop data access", providing
>
> technical
>
> capabilities such as data collection, transmission, sorting,
>
> and
>
> landing
>
> which covers big data scenario completely. For instance, we have
>
> recently
>
> developed a module called tubemq-manager for cross-cluster
>
> management,
>
> other modules such as agent and sorting will be added sooner in
>
> the
>
> future.
>
> As TubeMq matures and strengthens, we found that it's not just a
>
> single MQ
>
> service, but also a one-stop data access solution that covers
>
> the
>
> entire
>
> data reporting service. If we continue to retain the suffix
>
> "mq" in
>
> the
>
> project name, it may confuse our users or even those who follow
>
> up
>
> on our
>
> project.
>
> We hope to present different project goals by modifying the
>
> project
>
> name.
>
> We will retain and continue to develop the TubeMQ module to
>
> provide
>
> messaging middleware service capabilities. At the same time, we
>
> will make
>
> some capabilities such as data collection and data sorting open
>
> source,
>
> the overall services in data reporting which provides people
>
> with
>
> all the
>
> advantages in this field are also in our open-source plan. And
>
> of
>
> course,
>
> such adjustment would have impact on everyone, after the
>
> project is
>
> renamed, people need to include the main name of the new
>
> project in
>
> the
>
> existing TubeMQ import path, from the previous "import
> org.apache.tubemq.xxx" to "import org.apache.yyyyy.tubemq.xxx",
>
> but
>
> this
>
> adjustment will enable us to provide them with more integrated
>
> components
>
> on the data reporting service.
>
> Regarding the change of project goal && project name, we PPMCs
>
> have
>
> conducted many offline and online discussions, we also consulted
>
> project
>
> mentors to understand that:
> 1. If the project must be renamed, do it as soon as possible, it
>
> will have
>
> less impact on everyone ;
> 2. There is one and only one chance to change the name before
>
> the
>
> project
>
> incubation graduation;
> 3. Before changing the name, we must inform everyone in the
>
> community and
>
> listen to the opinions and suggestions.
>
> Therefore, we send this email to discuss the adjustment of goal
>
> and
>
> name,
>
> and to obtain more opinions and suggestions towards it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> TubeMQ PPMCs
>
>
>
>
