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Malte.

Kestrell wrote:
> Could you post the full info on how to subscribe to the OpenOffice
> accessibility list?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kestrell
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Malte Timmermann <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>     *To:* dev@ui.openoffice.org <mailto:dev@ui.openoffice.org>
>     *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>     *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2006 2:12 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [ui-dev] JAWS 7.0 and OpenOffice 2.0
> 
>     Everett,
> 
>     thanks for your statement about self voicing apps, absolutely true.
> 
>     To your problem: We will do some more investigations.
> 
>     Malte.
> 
>     PS: Did you subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yet?
> 
> 
>     Everett Zufelt wrote:
>     > On the surface putting a reader in the program seems like a god idea.
>     > are some reasons that it may not work well:
>     > 
>     > a) Assistive Technology (AT) companies have spent much time and money
>     > making their products work, for the most part, well.  A partial
>     > re-invention of the wheel would be required.
>     > b) Why reinvent a wheel if there already is one.
>     > c) Most visually impaired and blind users who currently own
>     > screen-readers are comfortable with how they work and would have to
>     > learn the nuances of a new system (keystrokes etc.).
>     > d) Why bother software developers who are trying to make a good
>     product
>     > with having to incorporate scren-reading abilities?
>     > 
>     > I have also heard that MS is incorporating voce to text and text to
>     > speach in Vista.  No telling, however, how well they will work.
>     > 
>     > Everett
>     > 
>     > 
>     >
>     >      ----- Original Message -----
>     >     *From:* bogus_01 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>     >     *To:* dev@ui.openoffice.org <mailto:dev@ui.openoffice.org>
>     <mailto:dev@ui.openoffice.org>
>     >     *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:54 AM
>     >     *Subject:* Re: [ui-dev] JAWS 7.0 and OpenOffice 2.0
>     >
>     >     Why not put a reader in the program?  It would help solve the
>     >     accessiblility issue and open the program up to people who are
>     >     visually impaired and solve the problem.
>     >     
>     >     I've heard rumors that MicroSoft is considering that in their
>     Vista.
>     >     
>     >     Stu
>     >
>     >         ----- Original Message -----
>     >         *From:* Everett Zufelt <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>     >         *To:* dev@ui.openoffice.org <mailto:dev@ui.openoffice.org>
>     <mailto:dev@ui.openoffice.org>
>     >         *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:18 AM
>     >         *Subject:* [ui-dev] JAWS 7.0 and OpenOffice 2.0
>     >
>     >         Good morning,
>     >         
>     >         I have posted this bug with OpenOffice's accessibility in the
>     >         past and was refered (as a suggestion) to Freedom Scientific,
>     >         the developer of the JAWS screen reader.  I spoke with them,
>     >         they were of little help, referring me to Sun.  Since then I
>     >         have been doing some thinking and believe that what I am going
>     >         to describe below is not a JAWS problem.  I do not know if the
>     >         problem lies in the OpenOffice code, or in the JAVA
>     >         Accessibility API.
>     >         
>     >         When I have a document open in OpenOffice Writer, and I
>     use the
>     >         u/d arrow keys to move from line to line, lines after a hard
>     >         return are only spoke if visited a second time.  This is a
>     >         little hard to explain, perhaps an example
>     >         
>     >         Example:
>     >         Dear sir,
>     >         
>     >         This is my letter to you as an example, Hopefully this line is
>     >         long enough to wrap to the next line so that it works as an
>     >         example.  If not, hopefully everyone can use their
>     >         imaginiation.  Goodbye.
>     >         
>     >         Sincerely,
>     >         xxx
>     >         
>     >         In the above example, if I were starting at the top of the
>     >         document "Dear" and using the down arrow to read by line, the
>     >         first line of the message body "This my letter..." would
>     only be
>     >         read if I went down to the second line in the paragraph
>     and then
>     >         pressed the up arrow to go back to the first line.  This is a
>     >         little annoying but I can work around it with paragraphs.
>     >         However, the same would hold true for the "Sincerely"
>     >         line.  However, in this case, there is not second line in the
>     >         paragraph to move back up from, therefor, JAWS will not
>     read the
>     >         text at all.  That is, if a paragraph of text fits nicely onto
>     >         one line I can not read it once it is written.  What I hear
>     >         instead of the text I am expecting is "blank".  Pretty much
>     >         making OpenOffice Writer useless to a blind user of JAWS.
>     >         
>     >         Now, like I said, I am not sure where the problem lies, but
>     >         expect it is somewhere in the OpenOffice code or the Java
>     >         Accessibility API, though, I do not rule out Freedom
>     >         Scientific.  This is a pretty major issue, as there is
>     really no
>     >         reason to incorporate the JAVA access technology if if the
>     >         application remains, for all intents and purposes, unusable.
>     >         
>     >         I don't mean to complain about the product, only to emphasize
>     >         what really needs to be addressed to make it truely
>     accessible.
>     >         
>     >         Thank you for your continued assistance,
>     >         Everett
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