As a matter of fact, he didn't said anything bad about you, just told me
who you are and what's your hobby on Velocity mailing list. You can ask
him for the complete message. Comparing his message with your message I
can tell you there is a huge gap between you and him.
This is my last posting on this thread, we don't get anywhere with this
discussions.
I already sent my apologies, you can take them or not. You can believe
me or not, that's your choice.
It is clear to me, you don't know what respect means so it will be
useless to continue this discussion.
Good luck with ... everything...
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Adrian Tarau wrote:
Jonathan,
I must confess you are above my expectations/past experiences. When I
post your "nice words" on the mailing list(development list by the
way) I didn't knew who you are. I thought you are just a regular
user(or even a FreeMarker commiter) who is way to passionate about
FreeMarker and tries to trash the Velocity name just because he had a
bad experience with Velocity.
When Nathan Bubna wrote me and told me who you are,
You have me at a disadvantage on that. I have no idea what Nathan
Bubna would have said. I tend to assume that it would be a very
biased, distorted version of reality.
I realized I just started some old war between Velocity and
FreeMarker(after I read some of your old posts).
That's interesting. Here's a question. In examining those various old
posts of mine, do you ever see anybody taking issue with anything I
say there on factual grounds?
So there was not my intention to trash the FreeMarker lead developer
name because *I didn't knew who you are*.
World like "dipshit", "despicable", don't sit very well near "lead
developer" or even "software engineer".
WTF do you think this is? Some kind of limp-wristed high society tea
party? Yeah, I called you a little dipshit. You posted a private
message on a public forum. And then you told a pathetically obvious
lie about it afterwards, saying that you responded "automatically",
when, of course, an automatic response would have just been sent to
me, since that's what reply-to would have done... in general, if you
behave like a complete jerk, posting private email messages on the
public forum and stuff like that, see what happens. Try pulling that
stunt in various open source communities. I think you'll find that my
response was on the more civil end of the spectrum.
I would expect something like this in a bar, but not on a mailing list.
Reading your last post, I realized you don't get it and probably you
don't understand the concept. !!!IT'S ALL ABOUT RESPECT!!!.
Adrian, you're a very confused individual. You keep saying things that
show that you have some real conceptual issues.
Respect is not something owed as a matter of course. Respect is
something you earn. In particular, that's how the open source world
works, you earn respect. And, for better or worse, it's a world where
fools are not suffered gladly.
Respect is earned and the people in question have done less than
nothing to earn my respect. (And one certainly doesn't earn my respect
by posting my private emails to a public forum.)
I don't care how many bad designs or weak points has Velocity, you
should treat the Velocity community, the current developers, past and
current owners with RESPECT.
Well, even if any of these people had ever done anything to earn my
respect (which they definitely haven't) that would be no reason for me
to be less than honest in a private note about Velocity. It is
basically junk. I don't think that, before you posted my private
email, I had ever said anything like that on a public forum. But since
the cat is out of the bag, yeah, that is my honest technically based
opinion. I mean, it's TERRIBLE, it's SHOCKINGLY BAD. The first time I
really looked closely at the guts of Velocity was when I wrote this
utility that converts VTL to FTL. It works by building up the syntax
tree using Velocity code and then spitting it out in FTL. So I had to
look at Velocity innards closely. I had never had such a high opinion
of the thing, but that was a real eye-opener to see how shockingly bad
it was, the way certain things were implemented.... You know, probably
there is no way to make it significantly better without undertaking a
complete rewrite.
That's just the truth. The emperor is not wearing any clothes.
Jonathan Revusky
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