Hi Clytie, *, On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 04:59:27PM +1030, Clytie Siddall wrote: > On 10/12/2006, at 9:40 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > >>[...] > > > >Hmm. contributing.ooo already is among the top 50 pages - the pages > >that are more popular are basically only the portal pages (www. and a > >couple of NL-projects) and the corresponding download-pages (and some > >special pages like login/mailing list) and the product pages. > > I'd like to make the point that "hits" don't mean the page is > successful in helping the user.
I agree, but then there's no reason to make it any more prominent than it currently is. > I've visited the contribution page, > and others, repeatedly, in an effort to make sense out of it all. I > wouldn't vote for any of them as pages which met my needs. If you have suggestions on how to improve these pages, please post your ideas in a seperate thread so that we can work together on making it more useful > >>... that many people will never reach in their lifetime. > > > >I don't agree. HTML is all about hyperlinking. That's why I oppose to > >putting all info on one single page, just to end up in a page like > >development.ooo that nobody likes. If we have "redesigned" project > >pages and have them linked from the product pages (wich are in the top > >50 as well, that shows that the argument of another post: "people will > >not visit it twice" is irrelevant), then it is only natural that the > >pages that have infos for devel-contributors also link to the > >contributing page for those who cannot contribute code. > > Hyperlinking is fine in theory, but in practice, people will give up > if the first couple of clicks don't get them where they need to go. I don't mean hundreds of clicks. > There are stats on this, and also about the size and type of info you > can deliver in one page, and what users will take in. Yes, And exactly for that reason I don't want too much on one single page. If you look at the frontpage, you basically get everywhere with 4 or less clicks (OK, I admit you need to know what links to follow sometimes) > This is where, I repeat, a Site Map type page, an overview, is so > helpful: it gives everyone a one-click overview from the homepage. No, it is not helpful, since you would have to read lots of text to find your way. A sitemap is not the way to go. We have a sitemap btw... http://www.openoffice.org/sitemap.html Unfortunately this needs to be maintained manually and thus easily gets outdated. IMHO we need more "portal" pages, like the contributing one or the marketing one. Pages that let you jump to the different areas within that matter without the need of reading lots of text or choosing between 20+ links. for example the path would be frontpage → portalpage 1 → portal page 2 → content page 1 → detailed content This is a lot easier than frontpage → a page with lots and lots of links, spend 5 minutes to spot the link → detailed content > Every main page for any category should be reachable from that > overview (i.e. all the sub-domains). Thus it is only two clicks to > any sub-domain, any main project within OOo. We might as well just use different wordings for the same type of thing.. > > [icons for "suite-products" and "other software" buttons] > Of course, we could match this with the OOo seagull: > > Office : seagull with paperwork in its beak > Developer tools: seagull with spanner in its beak Remember that it must fit in one of the buttons - I doubt that this would fit. > ;) > > I'm currently thinking of a unique icon for each project, based on > the OOo seagull. You are on another page again :-) The Suite products (Writer,Calc,...) already have distinct icons (or at least a distinct theme and coloring) > (BTW, who thought of a seagull for OOo? Hmm - no idea. the birds were part of the logo from the very beginning, so someone inside Sun thought of that before open-sourcing it :-) - I guess it wasn't explicit seagulls from the start, just birds in the sky. When the "wave" theme was more apparent then the association with the ocean and with seabirds came up I guess... > In Australia, seagulls are > seen as garbage-eaters, pests. In Asia, they are thieves, too: they > steal the bait and fish from the fisherpeople. They're not popular in > this region.) Not everybody can have such a cool mascot as a fat penguin :-) ciao Christian -- NP: Papa Roach - Revenge --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
