I would adopt scala immediately if it had all the IDE tools Java has with equal reliability (amount of showstopper/awkward bugs).
So guess it's just a matter of time, if nobody comes up with something better. Lots of people are taught into coding java (as if that helps ;), so one day when people are taught scala or its successors, it might be perceived more mainstreamn than now. Anywayz.. in 50 yrs or so, computers will be doing the coding automatically ;)) ** Martin 2011/1/7 Jonathan Locke <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com>: > > Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" has to do with people > denying *the truth* when there are radical paradigm shifts in knowledge. I > hardly think Scala qualifies for this analogy. Most of what Scala does has > already been done in one form or another. What it represents is the > application of long-existing knowledge from universities to *industrial* > problems. As did Java. > > I do not deny that Scala is better than Java in terms of its abstract > approach to a variety of problems that Java doesn't and probably never will > solve well (and these are problems that I am excited to see solved). What I > am saying, however, is that your idea that it's going to get widespread > adoption is very naive regarding the contexts where it would need to be > applied. I think Scala is going to become difficult to follow in the absence > of these magical coding guidelines (which are always bent or ignored) much > more quickly than Java does, which means it is going to prove exceptionally > hard to manage on a large team. Which is going to make it difficult for > managers to chose Scala (they don't want to make their own job harder or > riskier). They have to understand and be comfortable with all these deep and > dangerous features and techniques. Which really means that they have to be > fairly top-flight coders. I don't know about you, but relatively few of my > bosses have been this intellectually adventurous or willing to take on risk > (and for good reason: they are there (unfortunately perhaps) to produce > business results, not technical excellence). > > I think Scala's forte is going to be allowing very small teams where > everyone understands all aspects of Scala fairly deeply (i.e., you'd better > understand monads and Scala's type system fully because SOMEONE on your team > will use a feature or technique if it exists!) to produce amazing results > *very* quickly. That is something of a revolution in itself, but I think it > will be a cottage industry relative to the size rest of the software > industry. This is not necessarily a bad thing. If you want to work with > smart people, Scala is going to be a pretty quick way of identifying smart > people! I know this from experience: I can't even understand on several > readings a lot of my friend Greg's posts about Scala and monads and > mathematics. I would need to go back to graduate school in math and I'd > probably need an IQ upgrade to boot. > > I know this sounds awfully Dilbert (and maybe that's who I've become), but > at a mid-sized or large company (which is where most people work), what you > want in a language is something that protects you from your co-workers. In > my experience, even the "advanced" features of C++ and Java have > consistently been abused and even wrecked whole projects. > > All this said, Scala is probably a god-send to small startups and university > spin-offs. And I think it's an important stake in the ground because it > references a future wider-scale industrial software revolution that > eventually will occur when someone more practical sits down and figures out > how to pack Scala's features (and some things it didn't address) into a > language that's as easy to learn and read and work with as Java. My advice > to you is this: don't get caught up in the politics of technology adoption. > You will only find yourself frustrated and disappointed because at the end > of the day, it's a business world not a technology world. Instead go find > the cool kids and hack away in Scala on some crazy new startup that really > will change the world. Odds are you'll beat the pants off your Java-based > competitors on time-to-market. And if you're wondering why I don't do that, > it's because of all this green paper stuff they keep throwing at me. Maybe I > really have gotten old. > > Jon > > "Less is more." > http://www.amazon.com/Coding-Software-Process-Jonathan-Locke/dp/0615404820/ > > -- > View this message in context: > http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/Scala-Wicket-Help-and-Advice-tp3174601p3181566.html > Sent from the Forum for Wicket Core developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. >
