Allen, Since we've gotten confirmation from David that he's still interested, can you just copy the latest version of the proposal into a plain text email and send to this list when you're ready. Also, let us know what sort of changes you've made (if any) since your March 29th proposal. Even if there are no changes, it would be good to get a fresh copy in everyone's inbox just before voting.
Thanks, Cliff On 7/5/06, Allen Brookes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I will verify that the initial committer list is correct and that Touk is ready to commit the code. Allen -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:59 PM To: dev@xmlbeans.apache.org Cc: Allen Brookes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Sebor Subject: Re: xmlbeanscxx proposal (resubmitted) This is great. I also heard from one other volunteer: David Waite, who is a member of the xmlbeans PMC but doesn't have as much incubator experience as Ken. The incubator has recently recommended three mentors, but still only requires one. While I am the only one who qualifies as an ASF member/Incubator PMC member, I think the three of us working together should be able to give this project enough time to help them get through the incubator while also integrating with the larger xmlbeans community. David, could you confirm that you are still interested in helping mentor? Allen, could you (or another committer from this new proposal) confirm that you all are ready to commit code and get the project started and that the proposal is still current? If both of these answers are "yes", I think we should call a vote right away and get this going. Cliff On 7/5/06, Kenneth Tam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although I am not an ASF member, I'm happy to help mentor this > proposal. I was involved with XMLBeans (Java) and Beehive as they > went through the incubator, and am currently involved in the Tuscany > incubating project, so I'm pretty familiar with the process and > relevant issues. > > On 5/16/06, Cliff Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the people behind this proposal are ready to submit an initial code > > base and get started, I'd like to call this proposal to a vote, but > > first... > > > > We need at least one more mentor. A project mentor is typically an > > ASF Member (http://apache.org/foundation/members.html), but can > > occasionally be a non-ASF Member who is nominated to become a member > > of the Incubator PMC. > > > > Are there any ASF Members on this list who would volunteer to help me > > mentor this project? > > > > I agreed to do it all myself a year ago, but I am much too busy now to > > make that commitment without at least one person helping me. > > > > Thanks, > > Cliff > > > > > > On 3/29/06, Allen Brookes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please ignore the last note. It was missing some final changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a proposal for an xmlbeans subproject which should be discussed here > > > and voted on at the xmlbeans PMC. This is a modification of an earlier > > > proposal (May 15, 2005). This proposal is being resubmitted on the advice > > > of Cliff Schmidt. The nature of the proposal changed when the company Touk > > > offered to submit their xmlbeansxx code base as the initial code. In order > > > to move the project along as quickly as possible, we have elected to take > > > full advantage of the Touk existing code and resources. One result of these > > > changes is the need for developers at Touk to act as committers. Because > > > adding committers is done on the basis of merit, and because there is no > > > basis yet for judging merit on this project, Cliff has advised us to start > > > over with a new proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Proposal to create a C++ version of the Apache XMLBeans project > > > > > > > > > > > > Submission date: 29 March 2006, Allen Brookes, (abrookes @ RogueWave > > > dot-com) > > > > > > > > > > > > (0) rationale > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache currently maintains the XMLBeans/Java project, a tool that uses XML > > > Schema as a basis for generating Java classes used to easily access XML > > > instance data. The goal of the XMLBeans/C++ project is to provide a very > > > similar user experience for C++ developers as that provided by the > > > XMLBeans/Java version. This includes generating strongly-typed C++ classes > > > for the XML binding as well as providing low-level C++ APIs enabling access > > > to the raw, underlying XML content. Where possible, the XMLBeans/C++ project > > > will provide a nearly identical API and parallel architecture to that > > > provided by the Java counterpart, and will closely mimic both features and > > > schedule. > > > > > > > > > > > > The project will be jump started with the contribution of xmlbeansxx, a > > > partial C++ implementation of XMLBeans from Touk > > > (http://touk.pl/web/en/index.html). Rogue Wave Software > > > will help jump start this project by contributing considerable expertise in > > > the area of XML data bindings in C++ and C++ expertise in general. > > > > > > > > > > > > (0.1) criteria > > > > > > > > > > > > Meritocracy: The C++ version of the project should adhere to the same open, > > > merit-based community standards as other Apache projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions and Core Developers: Code being contributed is an open source > > > partial implementation of XMLBeans in C++ created by Touk. > > > > > > > > > > > > The community should be able to immediately jump in and begin work, along > > > side dedicated Touk and Rogue Wave personnel, to turn the initial > > > contribution into a feature-compatible version of XMLBeans for C++. > > > > > > > > > > > > Community: The community around the Java version of XMLBeans is already > > > vibrant and growing. There is every reason to believe many of those within > > > the existing community have experience and/or general interest in a > > > successful, compatible C++ implementation of the toolset. This should ensure > > > an immediately active and vocal community, even if the primary interest is > > > in ensuring a similar experience between versions. The original contribution > > > for this project has been around for some time and has generated some > > > interest already. > > > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, at least one member of an existing Apache project has > > > expressed interest in a project like XMLBeans/C++ to aid in his current > > > work. Higher-level projects such as Axis for C++ seem to be natural > > > beneficiaries of this work. > > > > > > > > > > > > (0.2) known risks > > > > > > > > > > > > Orphaned Products: The xmlbeansxx project has been around for some time now > > > and development has been active throughout this time. There is every reason > > > to expect that this commitment will continue after the transition to Apache. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inexperience with Open Source: Rogue Wave has been gaining experience with > > > open source through the STDCXX, The Apache C++ Standard Library, currently > > > undergoing incubation. Touk has had experience with open source through the > > > xmlbeanscxx project. > > > > > > > > > > > > Initial Reliance on Salaried Workers: Due to the rapid process of > > > transitioning to work on the open source XMLBeans/C++ project, the listed > > > contributors are all inside the commercial realm. We expect this list of > > > external volunteers to grow significantly after the initial public code > > > drop. > > > > > > > > > > > > Licensing, Patents, Miscellaneous Legal: Files in the contributed code are > > > already licensed under the Apache License, Version 2: > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/xmlbeansxx/. > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) scope of the subproject > > > > > > > > > > > > The XMLBeans/C++ subproject will conform to the identical scope as that laid > > > out for the partner Java project. Special care will be taken to implement > > > features and add conveniences that would be expected by a C++ developer. > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) identify the initial source for subproject code > > > > > > > > > > > > The initial source for the subproject will be the xmlbeanxx project from > > > Touk. Some background information may be found on this product at: > > > > > > > > > > > > Xmlbeansxx home page (http://xmlbeansxx.touk.pl) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) identify the ASF resources to be created (most of these have already > > > been created) > > > > > > > > > > > > (3.1) mailing list(s) > > > > > > > > > > > > cxx-dev@xmlbeans.apache.org > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > (3.2) SVN repositories > > > > > > > > > > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/xmlbeanscxx/ > > > > > > > > > > > > (3.3) Bugzilla > > > > > > > > > > > > The XMLBeans/C++ bug tracking database (key XBC) is in Jira: > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/XBC > > > > > > > > > > > > (4.0) identify the initial set of committers > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a preliminary list that will be updated with volunteer members. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allen Brookes (abrookes @ roguewave dot-com) > > > > > > David Haney (david.haney @ roguewave dot-com) > > > > > > Tomasz Wielga (tw @ touk dot-pl) > > > > > > Rafal Rusin (rr @ touk dot-pl > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) identify apache sponsoring individual > > > > > > > > > > > > Cliff Schmidt, of the XMLBeans/Java project, has volunteered to sponsor this > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cliff Schmidt (CliffS @ Apache dot-org) > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) open issues for discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > The original code contribution has an API that is very similar to that of > > > the Java version. However, there are parts of the API that have not yet > > > been implemented that may be considered essential by users of the Java > > > version wishing to migrate or co-develop applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > Addressing this deficiency is considered a high priority task for the C++ > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > > > This task is currently underway at Touk and will be continued after the code > > > has been contributed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The contributed C++ code is based on its own code generator. It is probably > > > desirable to consolidate both C++ and Java projects under the same code > > > generator, most likely the one already included in the Java version of the > > > XMLBeans. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not considered a priority-1 task at this point, more of a long term > > > goal and convenience. If it saves time in other priority tasks it will be > > > looked at closely, however. > > > > > > > > > > > > Platform support > > > > > > Unlike Java, the C++ port will have significant issues around platform and > > > compiler support. In order to help with this the project will be using the > > > C++ standard library, and may in fact benefit greatly from STDCXX, The > > > Apache C++ Standard Library, currently in incubation. Initially the native > > > StdLib will be used. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good platform support will be very important so even the early builds should > > > be done on Windows and Linux, and preferably at least one Unix variety. 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