What if we compromise by creating some sort of designation for tools that require runs to use Docker mode? This way, people could still use Andrew's awesome script either on their own or in Apache Infra (even precommit!) without unfortunate surprises when someone tries to run it on an older OS.
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Andrew Wang <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Allen Wittenauer < > [email protected] <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Wang <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > My reasoning here has been that this tool will primarily be run by > > release > > > managers, and RMs are very likely to have Python 2.7 on their machine. > > > > Whereas I believe the opposite: there's a good chance if one is > > the RM for enterprise software, the machine you are building on probably > > doesn't have python 2.7 on it because you aren't doing this work on your > > desktop! It's extremely common to have build servers that are several OS > > revs behind because software tends to be more upwardly compatible.... > > > > > ASF infra and servers in general are not really a target. > > > > Umm, yeah, they kind of are. While there are certainly issues > with > > them, they do serve as sort of a model of what is out in the real world. > > It's old and crufty and that's how a lot of software is built. Where > > people build software is *exactly* our target. > > > > Here's a fun anecdote. Firefox v48 is the first version to drop > > support for Mac OS X 10.6, 10.7, and 10.8. This means they were almost > > certainly building on 10.6. So up until earlier this year, they were > using > > a 7 year old OS that most definitely didn't have python 2.7 on it by > > default. Mozilla, by many accounts, would be considered quite aggressive > > but they can get away with it because they are targeting the desktop. > > > > > I think we're talking past each other here, since this is not a build tool. > It's an API checking tool. It only needs to be run on a developer's > computer, not all boxes at ASF. And, like I've been saying, you can just > install Python 2.7 like you would any other dependency. RDM requires `pip > install python-dateutils` for instance. > > > > > Maybe one day if > > > we want to run this as part of precommit, but then it can be optional > > like > > > gradle and docker. > > > > > > It sends really bizarre mixed messages if one tool has different > > python requirements than another just because someone wanted to use a > > different option parsing library. > > > I don't know about "really bizzare"; this is the same problem as any > external dependency (e.g. python-dateutils). > > The real issue here is the lack of a standardized runtime environment. Is > there build/packaging for Yetus? Some of this could be handled by wrappers > that created virtualenvs or downloaded conda as appropriate. > -- -Dima
