On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Evan Schoenberg, M.D. <eva...@dreskin.net> wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Christopher Forsythe wrote: > >> The problem is that the work that was done didn't produce anything. >> The whole thing was supposed to be a big wrapper around objc >> libraries, which turned into a "oh hey let's just use this other linux >> library!" thing. >> > > I think that's unfair. Reimplementing the protocols themselves is not a good > use of human resources, and this wasn't - as far as I recall - an intention > of the project. >
Regardless the past history isn't relevant to the conversation at hand, I'm going to just drop it. > -Evan > > >> Ofri and you did put in a lot of work, but in the end it wasn't a lot >> of work that produced very much in a way of making the project viable, >> which is essentially why the project failed. > > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:43 PM, David Smith <catfish....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> That's not true. Ofri (and to a lesser extent me) wrote quite a bit of >>> code, and had some interesting stuff working. The project stopped >>> because Ofri burned out from working too hard on it for a whole year. >>> >>> David >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Forsythe <ch...@growl.info> >>> wrote: >>>> Chatkit was indeed a separate short lived project. Essentially it >>>> started off with a lot of planning, and then some people wanted to >>>> depend on pre-existing libraries. Not a lot of real work was done, >>>> which is why the project eventually stopped. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:32 PM, BJ Homer <bjho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> </lurk> >>>>> While we're talking about crazy ideas, I know there was a project called >>>>> ChatKit a while ago. As I understood it, it was essentially going to >>>>> implement the various IM protocols in Obj-C and provide a simple Obj-C API >>>>> for them. (I believe Adium developers were involved in it, so please >>>>> correct >>>>> me if I'm wrong.) If that's the case… well, would anyone have interest in >>>>> resurrecting that project? If libpurple is the dependency dependency that >>>>> prohibits inclusion in the Mac App Store, is it worth investigating >>>>> replacing it? >>>>> I acknowledge that this wouldn't be a quick solution; petitioning Apple to >>>>> make the App Store licensing terms GPL-compatible in the meantime is not a >>>>> bad option. But if that doesn't happen… well, how badly do people want >>>>> Adium >>>>> to be on the Mac App Store? If a framework like ChatKit were the only >>>>> option, is there enough interest in the Mac App Store to explore that >>>>> option >>>>> again? >>>>> I'd be willing to help. I've been needing a good open source project to >>>>> work >>>>> on for a while. >>>>> -BJ >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Zachary West <z...@adium.im> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 18:08, Christopher Forsythe <ch...@growl.info> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Stephen Holt <sh...@adium.im> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Christopher Forsythe wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can any of the libraries be taken out of adium in order to reduce this >>>>>>>>> number? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> libglib is the big one, and no - libpurple depends on libglib. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's fine, I'd just need to start preparing to find all of these >>>>>>> people and making a list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do we know what kind of permission we'd need to ask for? Is something >>>>>>> like this adequate? "hey, we want make adium easier to download for >>>>>>> users, and we have to do x, y, and z to do that. We need your >>>>>>> permission in order to do that. Is it ok?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is the intention to put Adium in the store for free or for sale? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This isn't going to happen, there's a huge amount of people who have >>>>>> contributed to the projects. If even only one of them isn't contactable >>>>>> or >>>>>> reachable it's gone. We basically need to relicense a core set of GPL >>>>>> libraries and that isn't going to happen. >>>>>> It would be free. >>>>>> I'm going to write a blogpost and hopefully have our users spam Apple >>>>>> with >>>>>> complaints. Not much more we can do. >>>>>> Zac >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >
