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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users should access.
> > Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and there have been
> > no
> > ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS releases.
> 
> I very much doubt that anyone would release any code to touch an idevice
> music database due to fear of
> legal action from the manufacturer. It may exist already.
> 
> The ability to sync contacts, calendars and events, meeting info, notes,
> pictures etc ( anything that would be considered the personal data entered
> by the idevice owner is another matter entirely. Anything that the law
> provides in most countries such as the IP to that person or the copyright of
> documents or photos etc, and yes it can be a very grey area between the laws
> in different countries. This is just the other side of the coin but this
> time from the owners perspective and legal rights.

What Linux applications support syncing those contacts? Are you sure they 
actually
require the mounted filesystem?

> is
> > 
> > You can still access the device by editing the URL in the "Documents on..."
> > location. Just remove the ":3" at the end.
> 
> Thanks for this info,
> > 
> > If you have use cases that aren't the 2 mentioned above, or using your
> > iDevice
> > as a thumb drive, please file bugs against gvfs in the upstream GNOME
> > Bugzilla.
> > 
> > Cheers
> 
> 
> While I agree for the normal non developer user, the removal, to be able to
> access what you could originally access, on the idevice before the code
> change, may be of little value.
> 
> It is frustrating if you are developing applications and need access to these
> areas for debugging, checking directory, files and structure etc of the
> idevice.
> 
> It is even more frustrating when the Fedora workstation is being targetted as
> a developer's platform, and it also affects any downstream distribution
> developers in the same way.

How do you develop iOS applications on Linux? In any case, it's not a target
of Fedora Workstation. It could be, but it's not.

> While nautilus still exposes the pictures on an idevice through  gphoto2
> system does not seem to have changed.

I can't parse that.

> As far as I am aware it is possible to copy pictures from the idevice but
> transfers of pictures to the idevice will succeed, but will not be shown on
> the idevice by native apps without further hacking.

So it doesn't work. Sure you could use, and you can still use, the partition
as storage. But I don't see the point in doing that.

> The other mount exposes the so called document folder of some user installed
> apps on the idevice and may be useful for someone developing

It's useful for adding files to applications, for example, music, photos, or
documents in most 3rd-party applications.

> but is off
> limited use to a normal non developer user, unless the normal non developer
> wants to use the phone as a usb drive to transport files without carrying an
> extra usb drive.
> 
> The removal of the nautilus properties page on an connected idevice does have
> an effect that a nautilus-ideviceinfo extension that has been in gnome git
> for many years cannot be easily exposed and used and a gnome bugzilla entry
> has been active from last year without even a comment to date.

That's unrelated.

> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741302
> 
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus-ideviceinfo/log/?ofs=100
> 
> http://blog.sukimashita.com/2015/01/09/gtk-3-support-for-nautilus-ideviceinfo/
> 
> I hope this can  be resolved in the short term as it provides all users of
> idevices with info that is expected today and further benefits
> the foss community and the goals of Fedora, Gnome and downstream
> distributions etc.

Showing all the possible partitions doesn't help anyone, that I can see. Explain
how the data on that partition is useful to the large majority of iOS/Linux 
users,
and we can investigate.

Cheers
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