On 02/14/2018 11:27 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
On 02/14/2018 02:41 PM, Igor Gnatenko wrote:
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 14:25 -0500, David Cantrell wrote:
On 02/14/2018 11:44 AM, Remi Collet wrote:
Le 13/02/2018 à 23:05, Igor Gnatenko a écrit :
Just a small heads up, ...

As I said on IRC

- waste of time
- waste of energy
- absolutely no value


- abuse proven packager privileges


Ralf, Remi, David,

Please, read policy[0] once more.

Sometimes there are situations where it's simply a lot easier to fix stuff
directly in Git than via bugzilla and the proper maintainers. So much easier
that we should leave this path open. These situations shouldn't arise that
often. Some examples of situations were bypassing the proper maintained is
considered fine:
* small fixes or adjustments for new or modified packaging
guidelines can be done directly in Git after being announced some days
in advance.

I just missed waiting for few days (kinda intentionally), because it would not
help anyone and will just disturb maintainers to do the actual work whereas it
doesn't make any sense because cleanup is automated.

[0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Who_is_allowed_to_modify_which_packages#Mino

I am not disputing the policy.  I feel this change is pointless and is a
lot of commits for no real benefit.  They are not fixes.  You're just
scrubbing spec files that are not broken.  Who cares?  Update the
packaging policy and be done with it.  Leaving this tag there hurts nothing.

It's also worth noting that Pagure gives us pull requests for these sort
of changes.  While a proven packager can drive a monster truck through
the package repositories unchecked, the nice thing to do in the
community is to bring the issue to the attention of the package
maintainer and let them handle it.  Pagure lets you send pull requests
for this (you can even automate it) and then leave it with the package
maintainer to take or ignore on their own.

Just because we have removed something like the BuildRoot tag from the
packaging policy does not automatically invalidate every existing spec file.

I can't believe what I'm seeing here.

That old unused cruft hurts because old like Igor said, new people will copy it over to new specs thinking this is some magic necessary incantation (which is once was but no longer is). And no doubt some old timers might not be aware that it's no longer needed and/or still add it just out of habit, spreading the disease.

At the same time people love to complain how much stupid boilerplate stuff there is in every spec. Well hello, BuildRoot was made unnecessary in rpm almost ten years ago, the packaging policy for Fedora already updated accordingly many years ago, the last EL version requiring it finally EOL'ed. And yet people have the nerve to complain when somebody voluntarily cleans up this useless cryptic crap from their spec files!

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