-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/12/2010 12:33 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 12.08.10 13:19, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a >> single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not >> point fingers. How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one >> individual or we'd just go talk to them. This is a collective failure. >> >> Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more >> than half of a full release cycle. > > While I side with mclasen here and believe that it is a strength of > Fedora that we take the liberty to let cycles slip rather then > compromise quality, I want to mention one thing: on opensuse the "base" > system has a different schedule then the rest of the OS. i.e. the > kernel, gcc, glibc and the low-level tools freeze first, while > everything else may be hacked on a couple of weeks more. Maybe that's > something to adopt for Fedora as well? > > Lennart >
Well we have the critical path set of packages, however I'm not sure how we can enforce a freeze on those packages before a "freeze" on all the other packages (ie forcing everything through bodhi like we do at the branch) We can ask and say pretty please, but I suspect as long as the buildsystem allows it, crap will still crash land at the last possible moment. - -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxk1tEACgkQ4v2HLvE71NUe2ACfSNGyIGfJDlpTEr4EXBhmR70+ Mj4An1V6hvOHOX0jhpdIG8HTgMLxbHBO =C4uB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
