On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 01:51, Vít Ondruch <vondr...@redhat.com> wrote:

> Dear Jerry,
>
> Although I have no idea what xindy is, I enjoyed reading your analysis.
> Thx for your insightful post.
>
>
>
I want to say ++ to this. I have found every one of Mr James articles
explaining all the things he has done to work on, debug, dead-ends, etc to
be insightful and incredibly useful to track down in other software. If you
have a chance, please look up some previous ones.

Thank you again Jerry James. Your work and analysis is deeply appreciated.



> Vít
>
>
> Dne 16. 05. 19 v 3:45 Jerry James napsal(a):
> > I finally found some time to look at the xindy failure to build.
> > First, let me say that I've got a workaround for the problem, which
> > resulted in the beautiful green colors in this xindy-enabled scratch
> > build of texlive-base:
> >
> > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=34877270
> >
> > When the build process reached the xindy part of the build, it would
> > successfully build xindy itself, then go to work on some
> > documentation.  This involved invoking latex on several input files.
> > This marked the first (and possibly only) point in the build where
> > latex was invoked, so latex.fmt had not yet been generated.  Since we
> > build with %{?_smp_mflags}, several independent threads invoked latex
> > at approximately the same time.  Every one of those invocations
> > detected that latex.fmt was missing and tried to generate it.
> >
> > If you got lucky, each one of those threads would generate latex.fmt,
> > then quickly consume it as it ran on its appointed input file.  If you
> > didn't get lucky, one or more threads would start reading latex.fmt
> > after some other thread started writing it, but before it finished
> > writing it all the way.  That's why xindy would sometimes build and
> > sometimes fail to build: the build process had a race condition.
> >
> > It is unfortunate that texlive is smart enough to detect missing
> > format files and generate them, but not smart enough to stop that from
> > happening multiple times concurrently.  Anyway, poor xindy has been
> > maligned: none of this was xindy's fault, nor clisp's.  We, the Fedora
> > packagers, threw concurrency at a job that lacked concurrency control.
> > And the whole xindy_arches thing is useless: this is not an
> > arch-specific problem, so removing random arches from the build
> > accomplishes nothing.
> >
> > The workaround is to invoke latex on a dummy input file early in
> > %build.  This causes latex.fmt to be generated, and then everything is
> > hunky-dory when xindy is built later.
> >
> > My recommendation is to remove the xindy_arches conditional from the
> > texlive-base and texlive spec files.  Make it unconditionallly on
> > again.  Then insert something like this at the top of %build:
> >
> > # Make texlive generate latex.fmt, so that multiple threads do not race
> to
> > # make it during the xindy build.
> > cat > dummy.tex << EOF
> > \documentclass{article}
> > \begin{document}
> > This is a document.
> > \end{document}
> > EOF
> > latex dummy.tex
> > rm -f dummy.*
> >
> > That is the substance of this pull request:
> >
> > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/texlive-base/pull-request/6
> >
> > Also, I should be able to push a clisp build with s390x support to F30
> > stable tomorrow.  I, personally, would really appreciate having xindy
> > reappear in F30, due to Sphinx assuming it is available.
> >
> > Regards,
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