On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 20:04, Adam Williamson <adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-03-31 at 13:55 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:44:35AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Kevin and Michael here to a > > > significant extent. Running our own project on open source code has > > > always been a very big bright line for Fedora. > > > > You don't have to be sorry! I think it's very clear that this is the > general > > community view. > > > > > I think Iñaki's take on the "oh, you contribute to Github projects so > > > no problem right?" angle is correct. > > > > Let me be sorry, though. That wasn't mean to be a "oh you..." statement. > It > > was that other open source projects are not held to this standard, not to > > "gotcha" Michael or anyone else for their contributions elsewhere. > > I mean, held by who? This is a standard we have (more or less) held > ourselves to. Which, if you think about it, means it's a standard > that's in our DNA: we're a group of people who *thought it was > important enough to hold ourselves to that standard*. Would it be > hypocritical for someone outside of Fedora who happily uses software > from other projects that are hosted on Github or whatever to criticize > us if we were to do this? Sure, it would be. But this here is not that, > it's us holding ourselves to our own standards. > > Speaking personally, sure, I contribute to Github-hosted projects. I > maintain one project on Github (because it's extremely adjacent to > another project that's hosted on Github and the maintainers of that > project asked me to have it there, so I did). Hell, I send in fixes for > entirely proprietary things sometimes...because my overriding itch is, > if something is there, at least it had better *work* properly. But I > certainly would not consider hosting work that's a fundamental part of > Fedora on a proprietary system, I've always seen that as a *complete* > non-starter - whether we were considering test automation, result > tracking, event organization, anything like that, the very first rule > has always been, if it's not open source it's just not on the list at > all. And as far as I've noticed, that has been the same for all other > core Fedora stuff, for many years. > To add some nuance to stat statement a quite big chunk of the Fedora Infra apps are hosted on GitHub (https://github.com/fedora-infra), and relatively critical things like Bodhi, FAS, mirrormanager, ..... As far as I know most of Fedora CoreOS (and Silverblue ?) is also on GitHub. A critical part of our infrastructure the NFS shared storage also run an proprietary software (NetApp). > > So, is it a high standard? Sure. Is it one many other projects don't > try to meet? Sure. But it's one that, as I see it, we have held for a > long time and that in itself creates a context and an expectation that > we can't just dismiss and say "oh, hey, about that? yeah, that doesn't > matter any more." > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net > http://www.happyassassin.net > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >
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