On Wednesday, 22 July 2020 at 14:49, Petr Šplíchal wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I am writing today to share a proposal for how we can make it
> easier to enable tests in Fedora CI.
> 
> We've heard the user story mentioned in the subject many times.
> Fedora developers have frequently mentioned the difficulties which
> they face with enabling tests in Fedora CI. Some people don't
> understand the complex yaml syntax. Other people find that they
> can't easily reproduce issues revealed by Fedora CI on their
> laptops. People have asked us to provide a tool for local testing:
> 
>     https://pagure.io/fedora-ci/general/issue/4
> 
> A few of us have been working on a tool which we hope will improve
> the situation considerably. The proof of concept below shows how
> everyday developer tasks (related to testing) might look in the
> near future:
> 
> Enable basic smoke test for my component:
> 
>     dnf install -y tmt
>     tmt init --template mini
>     vim plans/example.fmf
>     git add . && git commit -m tests && git push
> 
> Create a new test based on a shell/beakerlib template:
> 
>     tmt test create --template shell tests/basic
>     tmt test create --template beakerlib tests/advanced
> 
> Run all/selected tests safely in a virtual machine:
> 
>     tmt run
>     tmt run test --name smoke

I'd say it's good to have such option, but for quick testing a full VM
is often too heavy and slow to boot. Even a container takes time to set
up and run.

My primary environment would be local.

> Execute tests in my preferred environment:
> 
>     tmt run --all provision --how container
>     tmt run --all provision --how virtual
>     tmt run --all provision --how local
>     tmt run --all provision --how ...

I find it difficult to guess what the above commands actually do.
Do they run the tests or do they provision environments to run the
tests? Or both?

> I would like to ask for your feedback about this. What do you
> think? Is this something that would be useful for you? What do
> you think of the syntax? We would love to hear back from you
> concerning what essential features you might expect from such a
> tool. It would also be helpful to know if there is anything that
> should be changed early in the tool design.
> 
> For more examples and frequently asked questions have a look here:
> 
>     https://tmt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/examples.html
>     https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/ci/tmt/
> 
> Looking forward to your feedback and ideas! :)

tmt examples are overcomplicated and not explained in enough detail.
What is "metadata" and why do you need 4 "levels" of it?
What are "tiers" for?
Which items are mandatory and which are optional?
What's "relevancy"?
Why is there "extra-summary" in addition to "summary"?
What's "extra-task"?
What are "plans" for?
What are "stories" for?

You're using a lot of terms as if everyone knows what they mean
in your context.

Regards,
Dominik
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