On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 12:09 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > > Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks > > ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing > > 747. > > Sure, both can accomplish the same task. Read: transporting people from > > one airport to another, but lets see you try transporting 400 peoples > > from London to NY using a Cessna... > > > > The same logic applies to the Ubuntu installer: As long as you require a > > fairly basic -desktop- configuration (Read: No fancy storage, no LVM, no > > fancy setup source [nfs, dvd, http], -very- basic encryption, standard > > software set and repository selection, etc), the Ubuntu installer is a > > great tool, but once you need something complex, you're screwed. > > That's all true. I've found the Ubuntu installer looks /very/ polished > and nice for very common install cases, but I always use LVM on every > install that I do, and last time I did a VM install of Ubuntu, I had to > switch to a VT and get LVM sorted on the command line. Not super user > friendly as compared with Anaconda. Other installers were even more of a > joke doing this stuff. Tried doing LVM on Gentoo? :) Things like LVM and > VNC do really matter, and not just for "Enterprise" users. You don't > need to use LVM w/wo RAID, you can just do bare partitions if you don't > care about being able to do anything useful with your disks at all :)
Amen to that. Given the absurdly cheap price of HD these days, I usually opt for LVM over software RAID1 / RAID5 on each and every workstation machine I install. Achieving the same using the Ubuntu installer would have required a lot of manual mdadm and lvm pv/vg/lv** commands. (Let alone their basic disk partitioning tool) ... In their race for Joe-six-pack and Apple like polish, Ubuntu gave up on many Linux core capabilities. Hopefully Fedora will -not- follow suite. - Gilboa - Gilboa -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
