===================================== # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco =====================================
Meeting started by @salimma:fedora.im at 2026-01-20 18:01:23
Meeting summary
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* TOPIC: Init Process (@salimma:fedora.im, 18:01:42)
* TOPIC: #3520 F44 Change Proposal: Restrict ptrace for unprivileged
users to child processes to match kernel default (@salimma:fedora.im,
18:07:07)
* AGREED: FESCo rejects the current proposal, and asks Chris
(py0xc3), Mark Wielaardand Frank Ch. Eiglerto figure out a new proposal
for F45 (@salimma:fedora.im, 18:31:35)
* TOPIC: #3526 Change: Java21RemovedEarlierThenScheduled
(@salimma:fedora.im, 18:33:21)
* AGREED: (+9, 0, -0) FESCo approves this Change Proposal, noting
that the use of scriptlet for notification is subject to the FPC review
of https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1518
(@salimma:fedora.im, 18:44:59)
* TOPIC: #3497 Update qtkeychain, qxmpp and Kaidan on f43 and f42
(@salimma:fedora.im, 18:45:17)
* INFO: this ticket will be discussed next week
(@salimma:fedora.im, 18:46:34)
* TOPIC: #3530 Change: Podman6 (@salimma:fedora.im, 18:47:12)
* AGREED: (+7, 0, -0) Podman 6 is approved to land in Fedora 44
with the following conditions: (@salimma:fedora.im, 19:16:53)
* TOPIC: #3541 Change: CommonLicenses (@salimma:fedora.im, 19:19:56)
* AGREED: Change Owners are withdrawing this change, and will just
submit common-licenses as a package and defer policy changes to a new
proposal for F45 (@salimma:fedora.im, 19:32:17)
* TOPIC: Next week's chair (@salimma:fedora.im, 19:32:42)
* ACTION: Stephen Gallagherwill chair next meeting. If there is no
quorum on Jan 27 Stephen will chair on Feb 3 (@salimma:fedora.im,
19:37:35)
* TOPIC: Open Floor (@salimma:fedora.im, 19:38:03)
Meeting ended at 2026-01-20 19:49:27
Action items
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* Stephen Gallagherwill chair next meeting. If there is no quorum on
Jan 27 Stephen will chair on Feb 3
People Present (lines said)
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* @salimma:fedora.im (188)
* @conan_kudo:matrix.org (107)
* @sgallagh:fedora.im (56)
* @nirik:matrix.scrye.com (55)
* @zodbot:fedora.im (48)
* @decathorpe:fedora.im (44)
* @siosm:matrix.org (40)
* @zbyszek:fedora.im (32)
* @duffy:fedora.im (27)
* @py0xc3:fedora.im (19)
* @mjw:fedora.im (14)
* @luap99:holzinger.dev (10)
* @mheon:matrix.org (9)
* @mohanboddu:fedora.im (9)
* @fche:fedora.im (5)
* @dcantrell:fedora.im (5)
* @meetbot:fedora.im (3)
* @adamwill:fedora.im (3)
* @amerey:fedora.im (2)
* @jspaleta:fedora.im (1)
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Bot Aurélien summary:
Hello @adamwill:fedora.im, @amerey:fedora.im, @conan_kudo:matrix.org,
@dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @duffy:fedora.im,
@fche:fedora.im, @jspaleta:fedora.im, @luap99:holzinger.dev,
@mheon:matrix.org, @mjw:fedora.im, @mohanboddu:fedora.im,
@nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @py0xc3:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im,
@sgallagh:fedora.im, @siosm:matrix.org, @zbyszek:fedora.im. Here's a
short summary of the meeting:
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### Key Discussion Points
● **ptrace Restriction (#3520):** The proposal to restrict ptrace to
align with other distributions was found to be confusing, overly long,
and lacking consensus among key stakeholders. Concerns were raised
about breaking developer tools and automatic crash reporting (like
KDE's DrKonqi) versus the potential security benefits.
● **Java 21 Early Removal (#3526):** FESCo agreed with the core
proposal to remove Java 21 earlier than scheduled. However, the
proposed method of notifying users via RPM scriptlets was contentious.
The committee decided to approve the change but defer the final
decision on the scriptlet implementation to the Fedora Packaging
Committee (FPC), which is already reviewing the practice.
● **Podman 6 Upgrade (#3530):** This change was identified as
strategically important but has a very tight timeline for the Fedora 44
release. The primary concern is ensuring a smooth and automatic upgrade
path, especially for users upgrading from Fedora 42 (N-2 support),
which is currently broken in the proposed plan. The change was approved
with strict conditions tied to the Fedora 44 Beta Freeze deadline.
● **Common Licenses Package (#3541):** The proposal to create a common
licenses package and have other packages depend on it was met with
concerns about the effort versus the benefit. The discussion concluded
that the creation of the package and the policy change to enforce its
use should be decoupled.
● **PackageKit-DNF5 Change (#3542):** A request was made during the
open floor to fast-track the approval of this change due to the
upcoming FOSDEM conference. While the change has strong support, the
committee opted to largely follow the standard one-week waiting period
to allow for any final comments.
● **Next Meeting Schedule:** Due to the FOSDEM conference, many FESCo
members will be traveling. The committee decided to attempt to hold the
next meeting as scheduled, but if a quorum is not present, it will be
postponed by one week.
### Action Items
● **[#3520]** The ptrace restriction proposal is **rejected** for
Fedora 44. Chris (py0xc3), Mark Wielaard, and Frank Ch. Eigler are
asked to collaborate on a new, clearer proposal for Fedora 45.
● **[#3526]** The Java 21 removal change is **approved** (+9, 0, -0),
with the note that the use of scriptlets for notification is subject to
the FPC's review.
● **[#3497]** Discussion on the `qtkeychain`, `qxmpp`, and `Kaidan`
update is deferred to the next meeting to allow for impact checks to be
completed.
● **[#3530]** The Podman 6 change is **approved** (+7, 0, -0) with two
conditions:
1. The complete set of incompatible changes must be in `updates-
testing` by the beginning of the Beta Freeze.
2. Upgrades must be cleanly supported from Fedora 42.
● **[#3541]** The Change Owners are withdrawing the Common Licenses
proposal. They will proceed with creating the `common-licenses` package
and will defer any policy changes to a new proposal for Fedora 45.
● **[Chair]** Stephen Gallagher will chair the next meeting. If there
is no quorum on Jan 27, he will chair on Feb 3.
● **[#3542]** The chair will ping FESCo members who have not yet voted
on the PackageKit-DNF5 change, with the plan to formally approve it in
the ticket once the 7-day waiting period has passed.
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