On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 11:38 AM Stephen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
> FESCo meeting Tuesday at 18:00 GMT in #meeting:fedoraproject.org
> on Matrix.
>
> To convert GMT (UTC/UTC+1) to your local time, take a look at
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>
> or run:
> date -d '2026-03-17 18:00 GMT'
>
> Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>
> = Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =
>
> #3576 more fun with texlive (updating to TL2026 for F44)
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3576
> APPROVED (+7, 0, -0)
>
> #3574 Change: DeprecatePython-dateutil
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3574
> APPROVED (+5, 0, -0)
>
> = Followups =
>
> #3549 Change: FilterFedoraFlatpaksAtomicDesktopsv2
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3549
>
> #3571 Fedora Flatpaks, Flathub enablement, and Third-Party Repository Policy
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3549
>
> = New business =
> N/A
>
> = Open Floor =
>
> For more complete details, please visit each individual
> issue. The report of the agenda items can be found at
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>
> If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
> reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
> https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
> up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
> that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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# #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco
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Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2026-03-17 18:00:51
Meeting summary
---------------
* TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 18:01:08)
* TOPIC: #3549 Change: FilterFedoraFlatpaksAtomicDesktopsv2
(@sgallagh:fedora.im, 18:06:54)
* INFO: Due to lack of quorum, we were not able to reach a
decisive vote (current tally is +4, 0, -3). It will be returned to the
ticket and the final vote will be tallied there. (@sgallagh:fedora.im,
18:47:59)
* AGREED: FESCo accepts the Change Proposal "Filter Fedora
Flatpaks Atomic Desktops v2" (+5, 0, -3) (@sgallagh:fedora.im,
18:54:39)
* TOPIC: Next Week's Chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 18:55:39)
* ACTION: zbyszek to chair the 2026-03-24 meeting
(@sgallagh:fedora.im, 18:56:27)
* TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 18:56:34)
* INFO: Look forward to proposals for a new general software
policy coming soon to a Discussion thread near you!
(@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:09:08)
Meeting ended at 2026-03-17 19:12:22
Action items
------------
* zbyszek to chair the 2026-03-24 meeting
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* @sgallagh:fedora.im (64)
* @zbyszek:fedora.im (23)
* @mcatanzaro:gnome.org (22)
* @ngompa:fedora.im (15)
* @nirik:matrix.scrye.com (13)
* @gotmax:matrix.org (11)
* @jspaleta:fedora.im (9)
* @duffy:fedora.im (7)
* @decathorpe:fedora.im (5)
* @dcantrell:fedora.im (5)
* @zodbot:fedora.im (5)
* @meetbot:fedora.im (3)
AI Summary:
Key Discussion Points
Change Proposal #3549: Filter Fedora Flatpaks on Atomic Desktops v2:
The primary focus of the meeting was to hold a final vote on this
highly contentious change proposal.
Closing Arguments:
Jef Spaleta (proponent): Argued that enabling Flathub is legally
permissible, aligns with Fedora's "upstream first" policy by working
with the broader Flatpak ecosystem, and that filtering is an
actionable, opt-in method for experimentation.
Stephen Gallagher (chair): Stated the proposal highlights
architectural issues with Flatpak. He argued against hiding either
Fedora or Flathub content, as it alienates some users, and favored a
solution that educates users on the trade-offs.
Michael Catanzaro (proponent): Emphasized that Flathub is far more
popular and is what users expect. He revealed that the Workstation
Working Group has already decided to largely remove Fedora Flatpaks,
and if this change were rejected, they would proceed with a
technically inferior solution (creating a new, smaller Fedora Flatpak
repository).
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: Expressed that while a change is needed,
he felt this proposal was a poor way to achieve the goal, viewing
Flathub as another distribution mechanism, not "upstream." He found
the proposal vague but was swayed by the argument that rejecting it
would force the Workstation WG to use a worse technical solution.
Vote and Outcome:
The proposal was approved with a final vote of (+5, 0, -3).
The vote was initially tied, but Máirín Duffy joined the meeting late
and cast the deciding +1 vote.
Scope of the Change:
A discussion immediately followed the vote regarding whether the
approval applied only to Atomic Desktops (as stated in the change
title) or to the standard Fedora Workstation as well.
It was clarified and agreed upon by members that this approval is
strictly for Atomic Desktops.
Any similar changes for the standard Fedora Workstation must be
brought back to FESCo as a separate, new proposal.
Future Policy: The group acknowledged that broader changes to the
third-party software source policy are being discussed in separate
FESCo tickets.
Action Items
zbyszek to chair the 2026-03-24 meeting.
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