On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:11 AM, H. Guémar <hgue...@fedoraproject.org>wrote:

> I'm not fond of keeping spins around when we're focusing on products.
> That gives the message that they are second-class citizens in Fedora.
>

In my view, this not supposed to be a discussion about numbering classes /
keeping score.

Rather, I view spins and products as _substantially_ different: spins are
more or less focused on providing upstream software (perhaps with fixed
bugs, or with good curation); products are much more focused on doing extra
new work to integrate, work that doesn't have any non-Fedora upstream.  So,
saying that every spin is/should be a product-in-making doesn't match with
the way I think about this.

Note that this distinction does not automatically imply anything as to
visibility, promotion, or being release blocking: We could easily promote a
specific spin _more_ than a specific product (say, promote Fedora Audio
Product, Fedora Rails 4 spin, Fedora Cloud Product, Fedora KDE spin, Fedora
Desktop, Fedora Server - the order is obviously nonsense but you get the
idea).
    Mirek
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