2014-04-21 17:56 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen <spa...@fedoraproject.org>:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > ...I'd > > like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately supersede all > > the rest: "Functional". > > I think anytime anyone suggests a new foundation that supersedes all of > what the project and community has stood for for many years then they are > doing it wrong. Well... I'd *much* rather have a honest discussion about the values like this than just committing code without any discussions, and then arguing that "we've been doing this for years at a small scale so it's fine to do it on larger scale". These things *should* be discussed mostly top-down, not bottom-up. And the recet-ish discussions have revealed that the practice and the literal wording of the foundations *has* slightly diverged over time (both First, and, at least in your view, WRT Google search, Freedom), so revisiting, re-discussing, and re-affirming might be in order. > I mean, Fedora has traditionally been very strong in upholding the values > of FOSS. We live it, feed it, and use it. Does this mean that Fedora > isn't always great when dealing with proprietary solutions later on (like > Flash)? Sure, but that also means that there is more of a push to get FOSS > solutions in place that remedy those issues. Fedora has never forebade a > user to install third-party software (proprietary or otherwise) after the > fact. The fact that many (most?) users don't have to do such things is a > testiment to how well FOSS has been developed and meets the needs of our > users. > I find it difficult to believe that "most users" [don't have Flash installed]. AFAIK there is no data to say either way, and anecdotal evidence from around here isn't supportive. Mirek
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