On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote: > On 20.06.2014 17:55, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 08:55 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > >> <jsm...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie > >>> > >>> > >>> This is not the only thing that DNF does differently to try to make > >>> package > >>> installations and updates go faster (or appear to go faster). Calling the > >>> developers liers doesn't help the situation any. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> if i am really interested in updates now i do "yum clean metadata && yum > >>>> upgrade" > >>>> for many years simply because you don't know how accurat you metadata are > >>> > >>> > >>> Sure, but you have to understand -- you're a power user. You know enough > >>> to > >>> do this in yum for your particular use case, which means you probably know > >>> enough to change the DNF settings with regards to cron-based metadata > >>> retrieval. What I think you're missing (and frankly, seem to miss in the > >>> lot of fedora-devel discussions you take part in) is that Fedora isn't > >>> engineered around *your* particular needs. We do things mostly by > >>> consensus, and aim to make it a pleasant experience for the *average* user > >>> (or whatever we have in the Fedora community that approximates an average > >>> user), and not just for power users with very specific needs and > >>> requirements. > >>> > >>> Whether you like it or not, one of the most common complaints about yum > >>> (especially from people coming from another package management system) is > >>> that it seems slow because of the necessity to download the metadata. The > >>> DNF developers -- in trying to address this common complaint -- had solved > >>> it by handling metadata in a different way. They've also added settings > >>> so > >>> that power users like you and I can tune it to better fit our particular > >>> needs. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> and *no* traffic is not cheap everywhere, by far not > >>> > >>> > >>> I probably understand this better than a lot of people on this list, as > >>> I've > >>> been on a bandwidth-limited connection for the past nine years. Only in > >>> the > >>> past month have I been able to get high speed internet in my home that > >>> wasn't limited to a few gigabytes per month. So yes, I completely > >>> understand that traffic isn't cheap (or fast) everywhere. > >> > >> It should be at least smart enough to not do it on mobile broadband > >> (like packagekit does). > > > > Python + D-Bus example for detecting WWAN NetworkManager 0.9+ is here: > > > > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/examples/python/dbus/is-wwan-default.py > > > > Dan > > > > > > This is super duper, however if wwan is on the router as Ranhald wrote, you > can only click your heels three times and repeat, "There's no place like > home."
Certainly. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to fix 50%, even if we can't achieve the stars. So I think there's a ton of value in doing this despite the fact that we can't be perfect. Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
