On Dec 9, 2014 1:31 PM, "Reindl Harald" <h.rei...@thelounge.net> wrote: > > > > Am 09.12.2014 um 21:25 schrieb Pete Travis: > >> Lets say I do have an understanding of network basics, just for the sake >> of argument. I share my application with you. The application is >> intended to listen on the network, you know this and want the >> application for that purpose. You run the application, it tries to >> listen to a network port. Magick, prayers, and the ghost of Charles >> Babbage - or maybe some hypothetical dbus service- does *something* to >> find out if you really wanted that. You did. Neither one of us is is >> made incompetent by the convenience. > > > i did not say that nor is anything i said in that thread meant abusive
Of course not. I didn't feel insulted at all. My point is that me as the hypothetical dev, you as the hypothetical tester, and the general public as a hypothetical user base would *all* have a better life if some hypothetical solution existed for my app to ask the firewall for something and for the user to approve it. > >> Here's the thing: firewalld will let this happen. at here is a dbus >> interface. Thomas has proven more than willing to accommodate RFEs. >> Nobody is asking for changes that would solve the problem of frustrated >> users or developers encountering firewall restrictions. The GNOME folks >> don't want the UX compromise of rote-clicked dialogs. Nobody else is >> suggesting an alternative implementation that actually *improves* the >> Fedora experience. Ideas get more traction than complaints > > > that's true > > *but* if i do not have a idea to make things really better with all side-effects i hestitate to change the current behavior until i have a good idea > > the opposite happened with the change of this topic > Right, I think we're on the same page now. If there's some consensus about a desired behavior, interested parties can start working on it. There's two sides with an all-or-nothing position here, innovation does not come from that. --Pete
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