2015-09-07 15:42 GMT+02:00 Ian Malone <ibmal...@gmail.com>: > On 7 September 2015 at 13:21, Miloslav Trmac <m...@redhat.com> wrote: > > Also, it seems to me that it would be useful to, at least conceptually, > to > > not think about Fedora as a self-hosting perpetual motion^Wrecompilation > > machine, but as “just another huge application” being built using > compilers > > and other tools which come from $some_other_magic_place. That’s not to > say > > that self-hosting is not valuable—it is a critical property of the > subset of > > the Open Source ecosystem which Fedora distributes—but it is more of a > > property of the ecosystem than the produced artifacts. > > I'm perfectly happy to leave this discussion to Redhat people, and I > think you have some good points about not letting implementation drive > goals. However people seem to be talking down self-hosting here. For > fedora as a distribution self-hosting is a part of the "Freedom" > foundation. It's no good insisting that source is available for > packages if they cannot be built. Similarly it's not just a part of > the ecosystem as that might imply, since the ability to improve and > extend it also requires self-hosting.
Oh I’m not at all suggesting that the Fedora universe should not be self-hosting, or that this self-hosting property should not be regularly verified by mass rebuilds or the like. I just wanted to say that that having various *subsets* of the Fedora universe, and especially the by-definition-smallest ring 0 or its immediate superset, self hosting, is vastly complicating matters and I don’t see a benefit to it. Mirek
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