> *But* I also think it should be possible to run a Sugar activity on a > standard desktop and a desktop application in the Sugar shell. Integration is > great and we should encourage it, but we can't assume it will always happen. > And in the cases it doesn't happen, not-integrated is better than nothing.
Frankly, I don't see a logic difference between Negroponte talking about extending the OLPC hardware to Windows (presumably to increase recognition of the OLPC), and those talking about extending Sugar to a standard desktop (presumably to increase recognition of Sugar). I'm under the impression that the Sugar shell was specifically designed to be EASY TO LEARN for people lacking Western education. Yes, there are many who desire to run desktop applications (without having to re-program them) in the Sugar shell. But *already* there have been successful efforts at 'sugarizing' certain applications ('opera' comes to mind). From my perspective, what is needed is an __excellent__ "thunk" layer to wrap around desktop applications. Developers -- don't agonize -- go do it !! [The most intractable problem seems to be Bitfrost - the security model for Sugar is NOT the same as the security model for current desktop applications -- something has to give (or be re-programmed).] But I don't see a pressing need to run individual Sugar activities (without the Sugar shell) in another environment. [Would it really increase the world's recognition of Sugar?] [The Sugar environment is "pared down" -- why should for example users of non-Sugar environments be asked to install applications which can draw just a single small screen ?] If there *is* a market, again availability of a "thunk" layer might provide the most wide-spread benefit. I *do* see a two-fold use for porting the Sugar shell to various distributions: (1) People without a Western education, who have access only to a "standard desktop", ought to find the Sugar shell (together with a set of Activities that runs under it) easier to learn. (2) By exposing more people to Sugar (including making development resources available), hopefully the pool of contributors to "providing computerized help/information to those who previously could not afford it" will grow. My $.02 mikus _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel