Hi Simon, Marco, Eben et al, I think the key decision is to default the frame on or off. In addition we should have a long term vision for the frame. For example, is it a short cut to find things or a first place to look for key features?
The only key feature I have heard so far is copy and paste. Task switching is more commonly done with the function keys. What else is central to the frame concept? My main concern is that it pops up. When you don't have good cursor control that's a challenge. All activities have UI elements at the edge so you spend time trying to get the cursor on the "keep" button without popping the frame. Lastly, its a sudden, in your face thing that happens without you really knowing why. Setting a longer hover time or only opening on some edges helps but it makes the problem of discoverability worse (aka user wonders "why did the computer do that?") If we default off you can still activate it via key stroke. That would be my preference. That way you get "expansion" of space without the mouse control issues. Initial research shows that there are FAQ entries for how to disable this. I also found these relevant threads in the forums saying they want it default off: http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154224&p=546464&hilit=fra me#p546464 http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=154514&p=547914&hilit=fr ame#p547914 http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150573&p=531274&hilit=fra me#p525210 http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=150343&p=524796&hilit=fra me#p524796 http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=935.0 http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=904.0 Several degenerate in to complaints about having to use the CLI :-). So enable/disable should be configurable via GUI but we should design with an assumption about the default install. We need more input from users (e.g. a small usability study would be great!). I think Nepal is on record to make it default off. Any other comments? BTW we brought up a new e-mail list for Spanish speakers in multiple countries: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur A dozen teachers have already commented saying they want to share experiences. Can someone who writes Spanish well can post a question there to get feedback from teachers re: frame experiences? I'll use a translation tool to do it myself if no one gets to it by the end of next week. I hope this is not seen as a negative criticism of your work. The UI is great overall. We can live with whatever frame solution is agreed and there is a solid case to be made on all sides. Let's get the maximum info to make an informed decision, then its your call :-) Thanks, Greg S -----Original Message----- From: Simon Schampijer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:42 PM To: Marco Pesenti Gritti Cc: Greg Smith (gregmsmi); devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [sugar] OLPC priorities for Sugar in the August release Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thinking about the "hot corners" pop-up frame thingy, Nepal asked >> that be deprecated and I agree based on my personal experience and >> that of my kids. The only thing I have heard people use it for is >> the copy and paste functionality. Waveplace lead mentioned that and >> its used in the Uruguay training presentation linked above. > > Simon is working on making this an option. We would still need to > decide about the default obviously... > > Marco These sugar rpms include a control panel option to set a delay for the frame activation and an option to toggle the top of the screen to activate the frame. http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/cp/ You need to install sugar and sugar-toolkit (rpm -U [package] should work fine). I tested on joyride 1918. The control panel can be accessed with the palette on the XO in the home screen. Best, Simon _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel