(...)

>> 
>> 
>> BTW Richard, as far as I remember the problems with 802.11s seemed to be:
>> 1) the standard is not a standard and it was intentionally crippled
>> 2) the drivers were very b0rked and broken (and Marvel did a terrible job 
>> with the driver software)
>> 
>> Scalability to less than 30 laptops in one room was the result.
>> A standard good AP and standard laptops can go to 30 in one room (with 
>> standard settings).
>> So, there was definitely something broken with the Marvel solution.
>> 
>> Fix layer 2 first, then look at layer 3.
> 
> Yes, Yes,  I'm not trying to defend the previous mesh implementation in any 
> way.  Pretend the previous OLPC "mesh" does not exist.  And in fact on a XO 
> 1.5 it does not exist.
> 

OK. Didn't know.

> I'm saying that the bulk of our rollouts are dense scenarios connected to an 
> AP.  If we can do better density than an AP with less equipment then thats 
> something to go for.

yes, you can - take the RIPE example: just reduce the txpower and have multiple 
APs.
There are also some very smart APs with a central controlling AP out there 
(Cisco has some of those).
These APs balance out the clients "magically".

>  If you can't do better than an AP then unless you are doing the 
> minimal-infra wide area part of mesh there isn't much in it that will help 
> the bulk of OLPC rollouts.
> 

Well - the issue is IMHO that OLPC always sold the public on the mesh idea. So 
it is somewhat of a bummer that the mesh is gone now.

I might add that the Funkfeuer/Freifunk -style outdoor meshes are still another 
totally cool option: you can mesh the different schools this way very cheaply.
So that is another thing to consider IMHO.

>> PS: can you forward my answer to the lists? I am not subscribed...
> 
> Sure but I'm not on iaep so I can't help there.
> 
thx!

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