>>>>> "Sébastien" == Sébastien Bourdeauducq <[email protected]> writes:

> On 02/08/2012 06:58 PM, JP Bonn wrote:
>>> Do you think we can start submitting it upstream?
>> 
>> No.  They will require someone to be committed to maintaining it.  I
>> can't make that commitment at this point

> Well, this is a lesser evil :)

> gcc-lm32 has been completely broken for more than a year now due to
> various regressions introduced by other people. GCC's obscure
> spaghetti code not only makes bugs more difficult to fix, but also
> there can't be a month without a commit destroying your port, often in
> a way that wastes massive amounts of time to sort out. The situation
> seems better with LLVM and this is the main reason why I believe we
> should switch to it.

Just one word of caution: I've been eying the milkymist-openwrt port,
and I'm quite sure that much Linux software is going to be better off
with gcc (especially g++) instead of llvm.  If we do the switch now,
incentitives to fix gcc bugs will be reduced, which may make the Linux
userspace porting efforts a bit more difficult in the future...

I'm also thinking about a Debian port, once the MMU stuff etc. is done,
integrated with the kernel etc. (not this year anyways?), and I really
don't see how that would work without GCC.

With you guys constantly bashing GCC, binutils, "autocrap" autotools,
etc. I cannot help but to cite an Emacs developer:

  it is often said that small is beautiful.  now, anything can be
  beautiful when it is small.  the ugliest person you can think of was
  probably a quite pretty baby.  it doesn't take much effort to find a
  beautiful 16-year-old girl, either.  in fact, our modern notions of
  beauty and elegance are _defined_ in terms of size and maturity, so
  the chance of anything small and immature being beautiful is vastly
  higher than anything big or mature. [..]  
  [1]

Just my $0.02

cheers,

David

[1] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ErikNaggum#toc5
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